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    What's the best body part to incorporate deadlifts with? I'd imagine back day but since it's a full body workout, seems like almost any day would work. I think since squats are done on leg day, that may be a lot for a leg workout.

    I've always had to work around a back injury so I've avoided deadlifts for a long time. I'm going to try light weight deads and see how my back feels. But I think to step up my game and to take my training to the next level, I need some deads, even at light weight, in my workouts. Thx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedgolfer View Post
    What's the best body part to incorporate deadlifts with? I'd imagine back day but since it's a full body workout, seems like almost any day would work. I think since squats are done on leg day, that may be a lot for a leg workout.

    I've always had to work around a back injury so I've avoided deadlifts for a long time. I'm going to try light weight deads and see how my back feels. But I think to step up my game and to take my training to the next level, I need some deads, even at light weight, in my workouts. Thx!
    If you are going light, you can probably squat and deadlift on the same day. If you feel the need to deadlift separately, I think the solution is two leg days. Lot of people put deadlifts with back, and there are many secondary muscles involved in the lift. But I do think the primary mover is the legs. The main thing is to do the exercise, because deadlifts are in my opinion, the best overall exercise in the gym, with squats a close second. For many years I deadlifted on Saturday, with multiple variations, and I squatted on Tuesdays, again with multiple variations. Always took a day off after each day. Monday was Bench day. Admittedly, my focus was powerlifting, not bodybuilding. I think the main thing is if you are going to do the exercises on separate days, you should put the workouts as far apart as possible in order to completely recover. Just my .02 cents. Good luck deadlifting, and with your back problems.

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    well... if your bodybuilding which is probably the case.... i would do it on back day... do a whole back work out... pull downs row ... etc.... and same deads for last.. this way you muscles are pre exhausted and you wont be able to lift as much but..... the excersie will still be very beneficial...pulling the lats down and strengthening the lower back... and bro.. some time your back might not be injured .. you might just be soft... ive been there u gotta go threw some growing pain with deads .... and if it continues to be a problem try message therapy ... it worked wonders for myself.. oh and stretch alot...
    good lifting...GET BIG!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4theluvofthsport View Post
    well... if your bodybuilding which is probably the case.... i would do it on back day... do a whole back work out... pull downs row ... etc.... and same deads for last.. this way you muscles are pre exhausted and you wont be able to lift as much but..... the excersie will still be very beneficial...pulling the lats down and strengthening the lower back... and bro.. some time your back might not be injured .. you might just be soft... ive been there u gotta go threw some growing pain with deads .... and if it continues to be a problem try message therapy ... it worked wonders for myself.. oh and stretch alot...
    good lifting...GET BIG!!!
    I have a herniated and multiple bulging disks confirmed by MRI results. I've done every back treatment imaginable from chiro, Vax-D, Accupuncture, physical therapy, etc. I don't appreciate you calling me "soft" without at least getting the full story. I've had several spine specialists recommend surgery but I'm 30 and once I elect to do surgery, there's no turning back. Ive been lifting for ten years in April so i'm not a newbie to lifting. But when you've injured yourself as many times I have, and you still want to lift regularly without always being in pain, you have to find ways around it even if that means not doing an important exercise like deads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedgolfer View Post
    I have a herniated and multiple bulging disks confirmed by MRI results. I've done every back treatment imaginable from chiro, Vax-D, Accupuncture, physical therapy, etc. I don't appreciate you calling me "soft" without at least getting the full story. I've had several spine specialists recommend surgery but I'm 30 and once I elect to do surgery, there's no turning back. Ive been lifting for ten years in April so i'm not a newbie to lifting. But when you've injured yourself as many times I have, and you still want to lift regularly without always being in pain, you have to find ways around it even if that means not doing an important exercise like deads.
    I had two completely blown discs repaired in my lower back, and the key is to find a good surgeon. Mine did a great job, and not even two years later I am very glad I had the procedure done. I would never presume to suggest one way or another, but with all the bad stories out there, I just thought I'd share a positive one. Recovery is daunting, and does take multiple months for most people. Hope you find a workable solution, and I have some idea of the pain you are probably experiencing, so you have my sympathy and my respect for continuing to train. Hope things improve whatever you do. Back pain is very debilitating. I also had some significant nerve damage in my situation, and it got so I was unable to stand up, and both legs were completely numb. When I did go in for surgery, I was scared to death about the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDR View Post
    I had two completely blown discs repaired in my lower back, and the key is to find a good surgeon. Mine did a great job, and not even two years later I am very glad I had the procedure done. I would never presume to suggest one way or another, but with all the bad stories out there, I just thought I'd share a positive one. Recovery is daunting, and does take multiple months for most people. Hope you find a workable solution, and I have some idea of the pain you are probably experiencing, so you have my sympathy and my respect for continuing to train. Hope things improve whatever you do. Back pain is very debilitating. I also had some significant nerve damage in my situation, and it got so I was unable to stand up, and both legs were completely numb. When I did go in for surgery, I was scared to death about the outcome.
    Thanks for the positive feedback bro. I appreciate that. And I'm glad to hear your surgery was successful. I've heard so many stories of people getting surgery with no success. I've even heard of some where the condition got worse. Probably one reason why I'm hesitant to do it right now. But you're right, finding the right doc is everything.
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    After DLs, which is my first exercise, I go into weighed machine crunches at the max weight I can get for 5 sets of 10 reps. I then alternate weeks of GMs when I'm not maxing and front squats when I am maxing; again 5 sets of 10 reps at max weight to reach 10 reps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedgolfer View Post
    I have a herniated and multiple bulging disks confirmed by MRI results. I've done every back treatment imaginable from chiro, Vax-D, Accupuncture, physical therapy, etc. I don't appreciate you calling me "soft" without at least getting the full story. I've had several spine specialists recommend surgery but I'm 30 and once I elect to do surgery, there's no turning back. Ive been lifting for ten years in April so i'm not a newbie to lifting. But when you've injured yourself as many times I have, and you still want to lift regularly without always being in pain, you have to find ways around it even if that means not doing an important exercise like deads.
    How about instead of doing deads, just use the leg press machine, and to secure your lowerback just do one leg at a time and keep your lower back (L4,L5) flat into the chair... also in my opinion you need to be concentrating alot on stability work for you lower abdominals and you entire inner unit b/c you have some imbalances which are translating into all the lower back problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManoMan1117 View Post
    How about instead of doing deads, just use the leg press machine
    I agree with this. You may be in the category of people where doing deadlifts (maybe squats too) just isn't prudent.

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    offseason i do deads/rack deads on back/traps day (m/w/f split).....precontest i do them on hams/back day (m/t/th/f split)

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    my bad bro

    I didnt mean to be oiffenseive or nothing bro .. .just ive meet a a few people that have complained about pain and it was nothing more than growing pains... good luck bro and shit your pretty gangster if anything i dont even know if id be dead lifting with injury s like that...good luck in whatever you do

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    I don't agree with doing leg press instead of dead lifts. I do not think anyone with a back injury should ever do leg press with any decent amount of weight (I would argue they shouldn't be doing it period). Doing one leg will place an imbalanced force (To one side or the other) on your back and can increase the likelihood of an injury. And lets face it, the movement isn't natural in the first place.

    You shouldn't be lifting with your back anyway, dead lift should be a hamstring/hip movement, the back/abs should be there for support. I think you can still get by doing light dead lifts and going through the movement very slowly. If normal dead lift position hurts your back, try a sumo dead, those are easier on mine and use more of my abs.

    I would do deads on a back day. Pullups, single arm rows, pulldowns and machine rows shouldn't be that hard on your back. Just go slow and easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedgolfer View Post
    What's the best body part to incorporate deadlifts with? I'd imagine back day but since it's a full body workout, seems like almost any day would work. I think since squats are done on leg day, that may be a lot for a leg workout.

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    I do deads on back day, and I do them last, so I don't have to pull 400+. I can usually get away in the 300's after fatiguing my back with the rest of my routine. If I do them first, my rows and other back movements suffer weight wise. I agree with you, that if you can manage with your injuries, deadlifts will be a key component in taking your training to the next level. Best of luck, Golfer!

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    I just got into deadlifts back when I started my cycle 7 weeks ago. I do:

    1. Deadlifts Superset with Push Press x 4-5 sets
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    2. Lat pulldowns superset with cable rows 4-5 sets

    Im well spent after that and sweating my ass off and just finish with 1 - 2 long sets of shrugs and 1-2 long sets of bicep curls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Life View Post
    I don't agree with doing leg press instead of dead lifts. I do not think anyone with a back injury should ever do leg press with any decent amount of weight (I would argue they shouldn't be doing it period). Doing one leg will place an imbalanced force (To one side or the other) on your back and can increase the likelihood of an injury. And lets face it, the movement isn't natural in the first place.

    You shouldn't be lifting with your back anyway, dead lift should be a hamstring/hip movement, the back/abs should be there for support. I think you can still get by doing light dead lifts and going through the movement very slowly. If normal dead lift position hurts your back, try a sumo dead, those are easier on mine and use more of my abs.

    I would do deads on a back day. Pullups, single arm rows, pulldowns and machine rows shouldn't be that hard on your back. Just go slow and easy.
    my chiro told me leg press is the worst exercise for your back bc you are putting a substantial amount of weight on your disks. He's advised me to not do them. He said he has more people come in for treatment from doing leg presses than any other exercise. Be careful guys. I know when I do leg press, I can def feel pressure against my lower back and disks (where my injury is). You prob won't notice it unless you are paying attention and will be like "wow, there is a lot of pressure on my disks lol). Makes it a lot worse considering you're prob moving 500-800+ lbs, most of which is pressing directly on your disks.
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