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    Deadlifting long term

    i have been deadlifting for about a year and half and would say i have not mastered it 100%. i can do clean and jerks and pretty much all athletic exercises.

    Sometimes one week i can go do my deads and be fine but then the next week i could deadlift and have a sore back the next and it would last a week or so and not the good doms kind. I know that all it takes is one move to slip a disk etc but whats the long term damage that can be done to my back if i havent slipt a disk yet and i just carried on like this, not that i plan too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skull View Post
    i have been deadlifting for about a year and half and would say i have not mastered it 100%. i can do clean and jerks and pretty much all athletic exercises.

    Sometimes one week i can go do my deads and be fine but then the next week i could deadlift and have a sore back the next and it would last a week or so and not the good doms kind. I know that all it takes is one move to slip a disk etc but whats the long term damage that can be done to my back if i havent slipt a disk yet and i just carried on like this, not that i plan too?
    As far as general health and functionality is concerned, there is no reason why lifting 500 lbs is better than 250 lbs. In my opinion, the big danger with deadlifts is the amount of weight people can use with poor form. No other exercise can be loaded to the extent that the deadlift can while using poor form.

    Yes, deadlifts are one of those exercises that can result in an acute injury like a bulged or ruptured disc.

    There are safer routes to go, you have trap bar deadlifts which provide a more efficient pulling position. By standing, surrounded by the weight due to the shape of the bar, your center of mass is literally tracking directly with the center of mass of the bar. It is easier to keep your spine in its weight-bearing position, which is safer compared to the straight barbell version.

    You also can do single leg deadlifts. The potential of injury is decreased simply because the weight you use is less and because these are hard to do with poor form. Not only do you have to derive strength from just one leg, you also have the increased proprioceptive demands from standing unilaterally. The training benefit is just as important, or perhaps even more, than a traditional bilateral deadlift.

    However, I think most people can have long lifting careers with the deadlift as long as they keep their ego in check and know when to call it quits.

    If you use the basic rules like using small progressions over long periods of time and never compromising form to lift heavier weight, you should be fine.

    The deadlift is a basic movement of the human body and is not inherently dangerous. The danger occurs due to poor movement patterns people develop from lifting sedentary lifestyles. People basic devolve their basic biomechanical capabilities by sitting all the time and not using their body. They sit down for 8 hours a day and then want to go pick up 300 lbs. Not good.

    I think it is important to note that weight lifting disciplines are not completely or primarily gauged towards health. Physical training is extremely important to develop a healthy body, but lifting maximal weights is not.
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    Amazing post fufu!

    Personally, when I decide it's time to move up in weight for my deadlifts, I move up 10 pounds at a time.
    A lot of people say 15 - 20 is the way to go, but I value the health of my lumbar too much to sacrifice any proper form.

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    Taking a week off from deadlifting helps. I'll only deadlift every other week but I do go heavy with low reps when I do them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooOld View Post
    Taking a week off from deadlifting helps. I'll only deadlift every other week but I do go heavy with low reps when I do them.
    I was told the same as a kid.

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    Been deadlifting since freshman football in high school. Mmmm..that was 19 years ago. Never once hurt my back. Small progressions are the key, and I always do them last in my back routine, so I can use less weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skull View Post
    i have been deadlifting for about a year and half and would say i have not mastered it 100%. i can do clean and jerks and pretty much all athletic exercises.

    Sometimes one week i can go do my deads and be fine but then the next week i could deadlift and have a sore back the next and it would last a week or so and not the good doms kind. I know that all it takes is one move to slip a disk etc but whats the long term damage that can be done to my back if i havent slipt a disk yet and i just carried on like this, not that i plan too?
    I agree with all the above mentioned posts.. Also spending 10 mins every few days and focus on strengthening your TvA (Transverse Abdominis) as well as doing over basic stability exercises for your back stabilizer muscles (erector spinae, multifidus, etc.) Most people neglect spending time strengthening these small stabilizing muscle and overload there prime mover muscles. For example you can have all your prime movers built up and have a good "body" but if your weak as hell and never give any time to stabilizers your like a ferarri with running on a ford focus engine (best analogy i could come up with) Also everyone has some type of postural dysfunction, using two scales(one on each foot) is a good indicator of how balanced your weight is throughout your body which can help alot in the long run with low back problems. Should be within 5-7lbs of one another. Alot of people view chiropractors as taboo but if you find a good one they can work miracles, not to mention alot of insurance companies will cover it nowadays.

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    i done deadlifts today only this time i put one 25kg plate underneath the plates that where attched to the olympic bar and had no trouble keeping my back nice and flat.

    Is there any disavantage or am i loosing anything from the exercise by using plates as a kind of platform?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fufu View Post
    As far as general health and functionality is concerned, there is no reason why lifting 500 lbs is better than 250 lbs. In my opinion, the big danger with deadlifts is the amount of weight people can use with poor form. No other exercise can be loaded to the extent that the deadlift can while using poor form.

    Yes, deadlifts are one of those exercises that can result in an acute injury like a bulged or ruptured disc.

    There are safer routes to go, you have trap bar deadlifts which provide a more efficient pulling position. By standing, surrounded by the weight due to the shape of the bar, your center of mass is literally tracking directly with the center of mass of the bar. It is easier to keep your spine in its weight-bearing position, which is safer compared to the straight barbell version.

    You also can do single leg deadlifts. The potential of injury is decreased simply because the weight you use is less and because these are hard to do with poor form. Not only do you have to derive strength from just one leg, you also have the increased proprioceptive demands from standing unilaterally. The training benefit is just as important, or perhaps even more, than a traditional bilateral deadlift.

    However, I think most people can have long lifting careers with the deadlift as long as they keep their ego in check and know when to call it quits.

    If you use the basic rules like using small progressions over long periods of time and never compromising form to lift heavier weight, you should be fine.

    The deadlift is a basic movement of the human body and is not inherently dangerous. The danger occurs due to poor movement patterns people develop from lifting sedentary lifestyles. People basic devolve their basic biomechanical capabilities by sitting all the time and not using their body. They sit down for 8 hours a day and then want to go pick up 300 lbs. Not good.

    I think it is important to note that weight lifting disciplines are not completely or primarily gauged towards health. Physical training is extremely important to develop a healthy body, but lifting maximal weights is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkaba View Post
    This is why we rock, and why so many other sites suck. We talk about checking the ego at the door more than anyone I've seen. This is right in line with my training motto. Safety first, then efficiency.
    EGO+Shitty form with too much weight=Injury

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    so what does anyone think about using plates as a platform, not a platfrom to stand on but a platform to deadlift on to? will it take anything away from the exercise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skull View Post
    so what does anyone think about using plates as a platform, not a platfrom to stand on but a platform to deadlift on to? will it take anything away from the exercise?
    Yes, it takes ROM away from the exercise. Just have to learn the proper execution of the lift, and you'll be fine.

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    i still felt doms on all the places your meant to, but my main concern is targeting the back, but if i do use a platfrom will it affect how it works the back, just iv read somewhere that the back is worked during the last thrid part of the movement so it wudnt matter about the platfrom?

    iv tried and tried to get it right but i just cant seem to be able to bend low enough to keep a flat back from the start.

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