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    Is Your Job an Endangered Species?

    Andy Kessler: Is Your Job an Endangered Species? - WSJ.com

    By ANDY KESSLER

    So where the heck are all the jobs? Eight-hundred billion in stimulus and $2 trillion in dollar-printing and all we got were a lousy 36,000 jobs last month. That's not even enough to absorb population growth.

    You can't blame the fact that 26 million Americans are unemployed or underemployed on lost housing jobs or globalization—those excuses are played out. To understand what's going on, you have to look behind the headlines. That 36,000 is a net number. The Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that in December some 4,184,000 workers (seasonally adjusted) were hired, and 4,162,000 were "separated" (i.e., laid off or quit). This turnover tells the story of our economy—especially if you focus on jobs lost as a clue to future job growth.

    With a heavy regulatory burden, payroll taxes and health-care costs, employing people is very expensive. In January, the Golden Gate Bridge announced that it will have zero toll takers next year: They've been replaced by wireless FastTrak payments and license-plate snapshots.

    Technology is eating jobs—and not just toll takers.

    Tellers, phone operators, stock brokers, stock traders: These jobs are nearly extinct. Since 2007, the New York Stock Exchange has eliminated 1,000 jobs. And when was the last time you spoke to a travel agent? Nearly all of them have been displaced by technology and the Web. Librarians can't find 36,000 results in 0.14 seconds, as Google can. And a snappily dressed postal worker can't instantly deliver a 140-character tweet from a plane at 36,000 feet.

    So which jobs will be destroyed next? Figure that out and you'll solve the puzzle of where new jobs will appear.

    Forget blue-collar and white- collar. There are two types of workers in our economy: creators and servers. Creators are the ones driving productivity—writing code, designing chips, creating drugs, running search engines. Servers, on the other hand, service these creators (and other servers) by building homes, providing food, offering legal advice, and working at the Department of Motor Vehicles. Many servers will be replaced by machines, by computers and by changes in how business operates. It's no coincidence that Google announced it plans to hire 6,000 workers in 2011.

    But even the label "servers" is too vague. So I've broken down the service economy further, as a guide to figure out the next set of unproductive jobs that will disappear. (Don't blame me if your job is listed here; technology spares no one, not even writers.)

    • Sloppers are those that move things—from one side of a store or factory to another. Amazon is displacing thousands of retail workers. DMV employees and so many other government workers move information from one side of a counter to another without adding any value. Such sloppers are easy to purge with clever code.

    • Sponges are those who earned their jobs by passing a test meant to limit supply. According to this newspaper, 23% of U.S. workers now need a state license. The Series 7 exam is required for stock brokers. Cosmetologists, real estate brokers, doctors and lawyers all need government certification. All this does is legally bar others from doing the same job, so existing workers can charge more and sponge off the rest of us.

    But eDiscovery is the hottest thing right now in corporate legal departments. The software scans documents and looks for important keywords and phrases, displacing lawyers and paralegals who charge hundreds of dollars per hour to read the often millions of litigation documents. Lawyers, understandably, hate eDiscovery.

    Doctors are under fire as well, from computer imaging that looks inside of us and from Computer Aided Diagnosis, which looks for patterns in X-rays to identify breast cancer and other diseases more cheaply and effectively than radiologists do. Other than barbers, no sponges are safe.

    • Supersloppers mark up prices based on some marketing or branding gimmick, not true economic value. That Rolex Oyster Perpetual Submariner Two-Tone Date for $9,200 doesn't tell time as well as the free clock on my iPhone, but supersloppers will convince you to buy it. Markups don't generate wealth, except for those marking up. These products and services provide a huge price umbrella for something better to sell under.

    • Slimers are those that work in finance and on Wall Street. They provide the grease that lubricates the gears of the economy. Financial firms provide access to capital, shielding companies from the volatility of the stock and bond and derivative markets. For that, they charge hefty fees. But electronic trading has cut into their profits, and corporations are negotiating lower fees for mergers and financings. Wall Street will always exist, but with many fewer workers.

    • Thieves have a government mandate to make good money and a franchise that could disappear with the stroke of a pen. You know many of them: phone companies, cable operators and cellular companies are the obvious ones. But there are more annoying ones—asbestos testing and removal, plus all the regulatory inspectors who don't add value beyond making sure everyone pays them. Technologies like Skype have picked off phone companies by lowering international rates. And consumers are cutting expensive cable TV services in favor of Web-streamed video.

    Like it or not, we are at the beginning of a decades-long trend. Beyond the demise of toll takers and stock traders, watch enrollment dwindle in law schools and medical schools. Watch the divergence in stock performance between companies that actually create and those that are in transition—just look at Apple, Netflix and Google over the last five years as compared to retailers and media.

    But be warned that this economy is incredibly dynamic, and there is no quick fix for job creation when so much technology-driven job destruction is taking place. Fortunately, history shows that labor-saving machines haven't decreased overall employment even when they have made certain jobs obsolete. Ultimately the economic growth created by new jobs always overwhelms the drag from jobs destroyed—if policy makers let it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt View Post
    I fix/build computers I think I'll be OK.
    Learn from other industries, at Motorola we had real techs who actually knew electronics....they knew how to read a schematic, change diodes and resisters and knew when a mosfet was bad...but then technology advanced and all you had to do was to take out a board swap it and or send it to a plantation in Florida to repair.

    They got rid of the old school techs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by vortrit View Post
    I'm an electrician, so as long as people feel the need to use electricity I am not going to worry about it.
    You're safe for a long time unless the politicians have their way and any Mexican can wire your house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    You're safe for a long time unless the politicians have their way and any Mexican can wire your house.
    They already can in Missouri. You don't have to have a license here in most cities, so I don't think it makes a difference.
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    this is why i'm going to school in the medical field......the last 3 years working only as a temp and not getting hired in anywhere changes your views quickly
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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    I would not trust an unlicensed electrician with my house.
    I have one anyway and a two-year degree in Electricity. You still don't need one here, but most people ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    this is why i'm going to school in the medical field......the last 3 years working only as a temp and not getting hired in anywhere changes your views quickly
    The medical field is great. If I didn't already get started on a career path I would be going into the medical field for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    Learn from other industries, at Motorola we had real techs who actually knew electronics....they knew how to read a schematic, change diodes and resisters and knew when a mosfet was bad...but then technology advanced and all you had to do was to take out a board swap it and or send it to a plantation in Florida to repair.

    They got rid of the old school techs....
    Honestly if everyone got smart and switched to Linux operating systems there would be no more virus's and that would take a good portion of work from people like me. but I don't think that will be a problem for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt View Post
    Honestly if everyone got smart and switched to Linux operating systems there would be no more virus's and that would take a good portion of work from people like me. but I don't think that will be a problem for a while.
    A man who knows his stuff. I've done support for many companies on my OSes. The Linux using companies only ever needed me to setup new PCs or fix broken hardware.

    I'm been on Ubuntu at home for about 5 years. I'm not going back to Windows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt View Post
    Honestly if everyone got smart and switched to Linux operating systems there would be no more virus's and that would take a good portion of work from people like me. but I don't think that will be a problem for a while.
    How long is that you think?
    Are you good for 5, 10 or 20 years down the line.
    Starting over at 40 is not easy, find something now that you can retire on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    How long is that you think?
    Are you good for 5, 10 or 20 years down the line.
    Starting over at 40 is not easy, find something now that you can retire on.
    Nature had made it clear for millions of years: If you're an inflexible animal, you won't make it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt View Post
    Honestly if everyone got smart and switched to Linux operating systems there would be no more virus's and that would take a good portion of work from people like me. but I don't think that will be a problem for a while.
    If everyone switched to linux, then virus makers would write viruses for linux. This is a point and click computer world. The general population is never going to learn the command line interface, access control, user rights, compiling your own kennels and modules, ect. Plus, virus makers make viruses for windows, because the majority of windows users are retarded when it comes to technology. If someone could make linux easy enough for everyone, then it would fail in the same ways that windows does. So, yeah your job is reasonably secure.

    My job is ridiculously secure. I manage IT for healthcare. They couldn't fire me even if they wanted to. It would cost them 3 times what they pay me to fire me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Nature had made it clear for millions of years: If you're an inflexible animal, you won't make it.
    hmmmm......sound familiar....like "survival of the fittest!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by danzik17 View Post
    My job could probably be outsourced. That's why I'd like to move into an Application Architect role a few years down the road - I don't have the experience for something like that just yet.
    You work for a corporation don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    If everyone switched to linux, then virus makers would write viruses for linux. This is a point and click computer world. The general population is never going to learn the command line interface, access control, user rights, compiling your own kennels and modules, ect. Plus, virus makers make viruses for windows, because the majority of windows users are retarded when it comes to technology.
    Linux vs. Windows Viruses • The Register

    This is always used as an argument and while it is true most home users use mircosoft, there are quite a few companies using appache2 for web hosting. They still don't have an effective means of making a virus for this web server and it would be much more detrimental to bring down something like that over a few home PCs.

    Linux has come a long way from using all that command line interface and some of the new distro's don't require much use of it at all. Unless you are doing advanced things the average user wont do like set up a DHCP server. Most children could easily use mint9 or ubuntu 10.10.

    Just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    You work for a corporation don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt View Post
    Linux vs. Windows Viruses • The Register

    This is always used as an argument and while it is true most home users use mircosoft, there are quite a few companies using appache2 for web hosting. They still don't have an effective means of making a virus for this web server and it would be much more detrimental to bring down something like that over a few home PCs.

    Linux has come a long way from using all that command line interface and some of the new distro's don't require much use of it at all. Unless you are doing advanced things the average user wont do like set up a DHCP server. Most children could easily use mint9 or ubuntu 10.10.

    Just sayin
    My last job, I worked for a software company who's HIS systems ran on Unix and Linux. I used RHEL5 and Unixware 7 command line 45 hours a week. The company policy was never under any circumstances boot the OS to the GUI. For business enterprise solutions, the GUI is garbage and always will be. For home users comparing windows to linux, the GUI is garbage, and always will be. I love linux for what it does, but it will never come close to matching the user experience that windows does for home entertainment purposes.

    Using apache over IIS is trivial at this point. Microsoft's old development philosophy was to turn everything on by default, and let the user turn off what they don't want which left huge gaping security holes all over the place. Linux has always been the opposite. Nothing fucking works until you set it up. Microsoft changed their philosophy with IIS6, and now it is as secure as apache if the administrator is worth is salt. But hey, nobody can beat free, so just go with CentOS since it is the free version of RHEL.

    I'm not disagreeing with you that Linux is awesome. I'm saying that no matter what the dominant OS is, that is what the criminals are going to figure out how to exploit. All the technology in the world can't stop social engineering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with you that Linux is awesome. I'm saying that no matter what the dominant OS is, that is what the criminals are going to figure out how to exploit. All the technology in the world can't stop social engineering.
    You may find this article interesting - it's very recent too.

    Anonymous speaks: the inside story of the HBGary hack
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    I work in Pharma so I don't believe they can remove making medicine through computers. Really they tend to just make it more complicated and more work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzik17 View Post
    You may find this article interesting - it's very recent too.

    Anonymous speaks: the inside story of the HBGary hack
    Yeah, Ive been watching this story. If you have the time, check out these thread at SA, it's pretty funny.

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    I love it. A security firm with shit security. It's a testament to the failure corporations to respond to real needs and threats. You just know some douche management guys were told repeatedly by their workers that what they were doing wasn't smart, but it was done anyway.

    "Hey guys, lets install a custom third-party CMS that hasn't even been tested yet, and lets run it on some SQL code written by some poor fucker being paid $12.00 an hour who hates is job, our company, and is life!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    Learn from other industries, at Motorola we had real techs who actually knew electronics....they knew how to read a schematic, change diodes and resisters and knew when a mosfet was bad...but then technology advanced and all you had to do was to take out a board swap it and or send it to a plantation in Florida to repair.

    They got rid of the old school techs....
    LOL a plantation in Florida or Plantation, Florida?

    I used to work in the old pager plant in SE florida - the floor space we had devoted to building those things was amazing, and a buttload of RF engineers, EEs and manufacturing people. Amazing. I have no idea what they do there these days. Pagers died about 2 yrs after they built that plant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    LOL a plantation in Florida or Plantation, Florida?

    I used to work in the old pager plant in SE florida - the floor space we had devoted to building those things was amazing, and a buttload of RF engineers, EEs and manufacturing people. Amazing. I have no idea what they do there these days. Pagers died about 2 yrs after they built that plant.
    LOL, a few of our techs. from Motorola relocated there years ago. A few came back.

    I believe some hospitals and prisons here in NYC still use them.

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