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    What's best to stack with Test Cyp?

    I'm getting my weight down with nutrition, supplements, and training. i have already lost 45 lbs in a year, and train 4-6 days weekly. I'm researching the heck out of ph's and cycles, but with so many out there it's hard to figure which is best for each individual. I already know I want to run a 10 week cycle of Test cyp, but as to what to do with it is where I'm lost. It will be my first run with anything outside of the otc products. I already know to order an AI to start in the cycle. I have different people try to tell me to do deca, d-bol, or phenoplex. However each one says the other is better or worse side effects then the other. I have always ready that test done right is safe or safer then your harder ones, but I always hear it's best to run it with something. My goal's are not to compete or anything, but to gain as much leaner muscle mass as possible with gaining strength. My cholesterol is down from being in the mid 200's to 174, tryg 111, and glucose 91. BP stays around 117/77 -131/81

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    Your best to just stick with test for your first cycle - this way you can see how your body reacts.

    I would extend the cycle to at least 12-14 weeks but that's just me.

    Usually most people start to get their "ah ha" moments around weeks 7-8 for the first cycle ... "so it seems anyway."

    I've seen nice increases earlier than that - but right around then is when the bigger transformation took place.

    What ever you do - always keep test as your base.

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    I say either run solo or with dbol. Not deca, not for a newbie. You need to make sure your body doesn't react bad to the test before you start messing with other stuff.

    Get a AI if you run dbol (get one anyway) because if you don't on dbol, your going to look like a balloon

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    What's your age and stats? Have you had blood work done to see what your test levels are?

    You want to use the cyp only for your first cycle! But there are many factors involved before giving advice about how much to dose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tazchip View Post
    I'm getting my weight down with nutrition, supplements, and training. i have already lost 45 lbs in a year, and train 4-6 days weekly. I'm researching the heck out of ph's and cycles, but with so many out there it's hard to figure which is best for each individual. I already know I want to run a 10 week cycle of Test cyp, but as to what to do with it is where I'm lost. It will be my first run with anything outside of the otc products. I already know to order an AI to start in the cycle. I have different people try to tell me to do deca, d-bol, or phenoplex. However each one says the other is better or worse side effects then the other. I have always ready that test done right is safe or safer then your harder ones, but I always hear it's best to run it with something. My goal's are not to compete or anything, but to gain as much leaner muscle mass as possible with gaining strength. My cholesterol is down from being in the mid 200's to 174, tryg 111, and glucose 91. BP stays around 117/77 -131/81

    Heres what I would do if you want to bulk up. sub turinabol for dbol! not as much gains but most of dbol gain is bloat, with t-bol you get 70-80% of gains w/ out bloat

    Wks 1-6 T-bol 60mg day
    Wks 1-12 Test Cypionate 600mg wk
    Wks 1-11 Deca 500wk
    Wks 1-12 HCG 500mcg weekly

    Exemastane (bloat and anti gyno) as needed, i would just take one/two tabs a wk. in my opinion you will bulk up nice and good. If you want to harden and get that shreaded look, add winstrol at end of cycle.
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    ^^^ thats a stupid 1st cycle.

    read this:

    http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...cycle-pct.html



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    this has always been my experience. I seemed to grow almost as well off 400-600mg of Testosterone per week as I did when taking 2,500/w. I just had less side effects and was less cranky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grozny View Post
    Heres what I would do if you want to bulk up. sub turinabol for dbol! not as much gains but most of dbol gain is bloat, with t-bol you get 70-80% of gains w/ out bloat

    Wks 1-6 T-bol 60mg day
    Wks 1-12 Test Cypionate 600mg wk
    Wks 1-11 Deca 500wk
    Wks 1-12 HCG 500mcg weekly

    Exemastane (bloat and anti gyno) as needed, i would just take one/two tabs a wk. in my opinion you will bulk up nice and good. If you want to harden and get that shreaded look, add winstrol at end of cycle.
    This is his first cycle bro. I don't think so...

    Test C 400-500mg/wk for 12 weeks is all you need.

    Congrats on losing all that weight. You should know that you want to have your BF% around 10-12% before you start with AAS, and you should be at least 24-25 years old.

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    I'd say:

    wk 1-12 750mg or 500mg Test E/C
    wk 1-5 50mg Dbol
    12.5mg Aromasin EOD or .5mg Adex EOD

    wk 14-17 Clomid 100/75/50/50

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    Nothing, if it's your first cycle.

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    As others have mentioned, stick with test-only for first cycle. There's no reason you can't get good results from 500mg EW. However, above and beyond all else, make sure your diet is on point and hydrate hydrate hydrate. Lots of water. 1.5 - 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight. And this is assuming your BF is no higher than 12%. If your BF is higher, I'd recommend dieting and HIIT (high intensity interval training) to get down to the 12% neighborhood.

    You don't need to stack anything in a first cycle. If you do, D-bol is a popular stacker for first timers (and vets too) b/c it gives results while you're waiting for the long ester test to kick in. But then again, consider the test only cycle to more accurately gauge the results. Maybe use Dbol (or Tbol) for a kickstart in a 2nd cycle.

    And you best be no younger than 24.

    Finally, make sure you have proper PCT laid out before starting a cycle. For test only, start 100mg Clomid ED two weeks after your last shot of test. Then, 75mg ED for week 2. Weeks 3 - 4 should be 50mg ED.

    (Rule of thumb = Cycle + PCT = Time off required prior to starting next cycle).

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    Something that people haven't been reccomending but I think is important is to get your blood tested PRIOR to your first cycle to know what your baseline is. I really wish I would have done this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grozny View Post
    Heres what I would do if you want to bulk up. sub turinabol for dbol! not as much gains but most of dbol gain is bloat, with t-bol you get 70-80% of gains w/ out bloat

    Wks 1-6 T-bol 60mg day
    Wks 1-12 Test Cypionate 600mg wk
    Wks 1-11 Deca 500wk
    Wks 1-12 HCG 500mcg weekly

    Exemastane (bloat and anti gyno) as needed, i would just take one/two tabs a wk. in my opinion you will bulk up nice and good. If you want to harden and get that shreaded look, add winstrol at end of cycle.
    Horrible advice for a first cycle. OP, do not do this.

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    I agree with most, test only for your first. My first cycle was sust 250 500mg/wk for 8 wks and I loved it. For me everything kicked in at week 3 which gave me 5 weeks to really dig in, so looking back the only thing I would change is bump it up to 10 or 12 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMO View Post
    This is his first cycle bro. I don't think so...

    Test C 400-500mg/wk for 12 weeks is all you need.

    Congrats on losing all that weight. You should know that you want to have your BF% around 10-12% before you start with AAS, and you should be at least 24-25 years old.
    ^Good, smart and reliable advice right here!

    Again as I said earlier, get your blood work done to get your baseline so you know where you are and where you will be!

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