Clomid is needed to have a full recovery. Especially for fertility purposes. I think most people experience depression during PCT due to the diminished hormone levels
Does any one deal with this? I just started my first cycle and have been reading alot about depression during pct........ seems like most people point to clomid. I have both clomid and nolv ready for pct but im rethinking the clomid now......any thoughts?
test e 250mg twice a week 12 weeks
dbol 40mg ed 4 weeks
adex .25 eod 14 weeks up to pct
first shot was today
high doses of clomid can result to depression so i have heard but really its all in your head pct is a very vulnerable time jus make sure u still eat and cut the training back and stay off the scale
i have ran clomid and have not ran into this problem
you no Im not really worried about weight drop or even muscle loss, I am obviously expecting that. What I am more worried about is just being over all depressed because of PCT....... I mean im not a depressed person generally, but I have been known to worry about things, be slightly paranoid, when smoking weed and such
its all in your head bro hus gotta find your happy place
Personally i think ur sudden drop in T levels may be causing ur deppression. The clomid may be a exasperating the deppression by affect ur mode. Clomid is just a sythetic estrogen that attaches in ur brain and can cause mode swings, sensitivity to feelings similar to be a chick. So basically u have little T and high E in your sysem which can cause many unwanted mode changes. How high is ur clomid does? You might want to reduce a little or discontnue it and run some hcg first to up ur test then follow it with clomid to maintan. That might remedy the depression.
yea how much does HCG help with this?
HCG helps aid in keeping your natty test producing so when u jump to pct its not as a drastic drop off when the testosterone clears your system
Im sure its not exact, but I wonder how close HCG will keep you to your natural Test production....say 90%, or 75% either way it will get me back to 100% if I use HCG no ifs, ands, or buts, right?
people do like 500ius a week right?
5oo iu every day for 10 days. You really shouldn't extend it beyond that duration because it can further suppress your LH levels below what your juice has already done. Everything u put in ur body u already have shuts down ur natural production. HCH acts just the same as LH and triggers ur body's negative feedback loop which reduces production.
Am I wrong in thinking that Nolva works just as good as Clomid post cycle?
Clomid has more of an affinity to attach to estrogen receptors in the hypothalymus which causes it to release GnRH to the patuitary which then relaeses LH that attach to lydig cells in the testes producing testosterone. Nolvadex does the same thing but doesn't have nearly the affinity for the brain but for the breast glands. That's why clinically clomid is used for fertility and nolvadex is used to stop breast cancer from growing. Clomid does also attach to the breast tissue with about the same affinity nolvadex has for the brain. That's why it can be used as an anti gyno drug as well.
Last edited by alphabolic; 03-04-2011 at 07:51 AM.
You seriously run the risk of desensitizing ur testes to LH. A high dose of HCG down regulates the receptors in ur lydig cell, while a long duration, normal dose regime further shuts down ur HPTA. It would be conterproductive to choose either option. Why don't u hold on to the 2500iu and go with the original plan and get ur test levels checked in 2 months. If they're low, u can run the left over HCG and follow it with clomid again. If it's normal, screw it. Save it for ur next cycle.
I'm more depressed about not pinning any more......