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IPA & CJC 1293 log

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Ok after a waste of a few weeks on the fragment I decided to switch to ipamorelin and cjc 1293. Hope my spelling was right. Started to dose rat at 50 mcg each before bed then ramp up to 100 mcg twice a day.

Goals

Loose body fat and rip this up. Oh yeah and win the challange.
Currently around 225. My stats are up on the transformation page with diet and training.

Will finish up these t Bol and then get into nandrolne and winny oil base. May need some prop too to prevent the notorious deca di$@ !

That all for now let me get to sleep. Will let everyone know how the sleep was
 
Just started the same. Are you going to do 100mcg of each twice a day? or 50mcg of each twice a day?
 
100 mcg of each. Tried 50 and it's a no go.

Today weighed in at 224

Pros
- Great pumps
- Not as tired training on low carbs
- Sleeping great at night
- skin tightening

I expect to bulk and get lean at the same time. You can only achieve that with increase in growth hormone. I am 31 and feel great these last few sessions. Pulled the diet in another notch and looking forward to running this 12 week out min.

Demmon is this ur first research with IPA and cjc?

Also from what I read you should always toss in a little AAS. I just feel the synergistic effect. Well that's some fix for ya!!!
 
Bumped the dose to 100 mcg each three times a day. Feeling great. I think I may have a build up of cortisol. Have to get to the store tomorrow and get some vit C and also omega 3. Started to pre load pins and bring them to bed. Hit it right before putting ur head on the pillow.

Hit a dam vein in my stomach today. Damn thing swelled up.

Dosing deca 150 mg every 4 days. Also will run this out for 8 weeks then roll in some oil based winny 50 mg every 2 or 3 days. Can't do it every day my hair falls out.
May toss in tren or test prop if I get some extra loot.

Will still run the peps. Overall I am very satisfied.
Thanks EP
 
Guys I need help. I am running the IPA ( 150 mcg) and CJC ( 100 mcg). Starting to plateu. Can I up the dose on the IPA to 200 mcg or 250 mcg. I don't seem to get a strong pulse. I know this because with HgH the fat burring is more pronounced.

At the same time I do not want to over Stim the pituitary gland. Who knows what the sides could be. Overall, I am not producing significant quantities at my age.

Give me some reco's
 
you should be using cjc 1295 also called mod grf -1-29.

The efficacy of peptides is measured in months not weeks and definitely not days. You should be having better sleep if injecting before bed.

When did you start?
 
I am using cjc 1293. I was on for over a week. I am on vacation this week and couldn't bring it. Will be back strong Monday. So if I read you correctly just keep dosing and with time the lean fat burning benefit will kick in?
 
1293 is not the peptide you want........ you want 1295.

but yes keep dosing. If your peptides are legit, you will start seeing gh like effects gradually...... Theres no point in going over 150mcg on either ipa or cjc-1295 as the saturation dose is right about 100mcg. Anything more will be a waste. You can dose every 3-4 hours if you feel so inclined but keep the doses at 100/100. and dont eat anything for 25mins-30mins after dosing.....
They work best on an empty stomach but I am sure you already knew this.
 
1293 will work as well. What is your rationale? Getting back into dosing tonight on fasted stomach. I agree from what I read 100 mcg / 100 does the trick. Do you think I will get a better pulse with 1295? Please explain.
 
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The combo is working great. I am now pinning 100 mcg before training on an empty stomach and before bed. Seems when I mix a new bottle it is stronger. In any event it is really tightening my skin and I think my face looks younger ha ha.

Switched over to 30 min cardio and cross training 5 days per week.
I will keep running this and I will tell you my recovery has been great. Combining it with Deca and I am training just as hard as I was 24. Recovery is awsome but occasionally I get lethargic. Could be the calorie restricted diet.
 
overall results from your cycle??

Ive read if you reconstitute with plain ole bac water it will only remain stable for 2-3 days, as opposed to with sodium chloride where it may last over 14 days. Maybe this is why you noticed it being stronger with a freshly reconed vial?
 
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The combo is working great. I am now pinning 100 mcg before training on an empty stomach and before bed. Seems when I mix a new bottle it is stronger. In any event it is really tightening my skin and I think my face looks younger ha ha.

Switched over to 30 min cardio and cross training 5 days per week.
I will keep running this and I will tell you my recovery has been great. Combining it with Deca and I am training just as hard as I was 24. Recovery is awsome but occasionally I get lethargic. Could be the calorie restricted diet.

GH bleed is why you want to use Mod..I am no expert so I will let others chime in.
 
BORROWED from my favorite research chemist and peptide expert.

this explains EVERYTHING about 1295 vs 1293 and then some. not mine, but 100% accurate

Basically anytime you take a peptide and swap out an amino acid for another you look at it to see if it still binds to its receptor or acts the way the original compound will act. If not then your change was worthless.

But if you swap out an amino acid and you get the same effects as the original compound it becomes what is known as an analog.

All of these things are simply analogs of GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone). Thats it.

Well before those few CJC-1295 studies analogs were created. 15 amino acids were lopped off because they had no value for GH release. That left 29 amino acids and they called that Growth hormone Releasing Factor (1-29) or GRF(1-29). Thats all GRF(1-29) is... it is the native hormone GHRH (with the inactive tail removed). The prescription drug for GRF(1-29) is sold under the name Sermorelin.

But native GHRH is released from the brain and barely travels any distance to the pituitary so it isn't subject to degradation from plasma enzymes. GHRH works in our body and in pigs and rats and chickens.

But if you want to inject it, it has to travel in the blood stream where it is subject to degradation. So if you inject GRF(1-29) or GHRH into a body it will degrade withing a few minutes. Sure some will bind in the pituitary but most will not. So what they did was determine EXACTLY what was happening. Cleavage was occurring at the 2nd position so one analog that was created swapped Arginine for the D form of Arginine (D-Arg) at that position. Thats it.

Now that analog in rats I believe lasted 30 minutes but in humans still less then 10 minutes.

Along the way many people made many different analogs. You can swap amino acids like we just discussed or you can add side chains. The side chains will protect the vulnerable amino acid. It acts as a stiff arm. Of course adding side chains could mean the peptide no longer works so it has to be tested to see it it will still bind to its receptor (or if it is a receptor-less peptide if it still behaves as the original).

Pegylation is often used to create a longer lasting analog. Often though when you create an analog w/ side chains or Pegylation you give the peptide longer life but reduce its binding affinity (attraction) for its receptor. The analog IGF-1 LR3 has a longer life then IGF-1 (provided it isn't bound to a binding protein for survival) but it has a weaker affinity for the IGF-1 receptor. The same thing for the DES form of IGF-1.

Amino acid swaps to create analogs are done to strengthen the peptide but also to make the synthesis process easier.

When the CJC-1295 study was done they needed comparisons for the structure they really wanted to test. What they really wanted to do was take their invention called a Drug Affinity Complex, DAC for short and attach it to all sorts of things. SO Conjuchem the makers patented it.

DAC is like velcro. It clings to albumin. Albumin exists in plasma. In fact GH when it binds to a receptor does many things besides initiate IGF-1 transcription. It also initiates transcription of albumin. That is how albumin can be made. But that is an aside.. back to the main point. Albumin has a long life and so if you can get something to cling to it for protection then maybe you can get that something to have a long life as well.

Albumin has a long life in rats and rabbits...maybe as long as 30 days [I forget?]. In humans it is a lot less... 10 days? [I'm sorry I forget exactly]. The point is when you look at the animal study for CJC-1295 you can not rely on the numbers because of the difference in albumin life.

Conjuchem wanted to use the DAC they invented on several peptides to create long-lasting analogs. GHRH was not something they cared much about. Insulin and a few others are where the money's at... diabetes is big money.

But they attached the DAC to GRF(1-29) and studied it. They needed to add a Lysine amino acid between GRF(1-29) and the DAC as sticky glue. This is the trickiest part to synthesize because most attempts will not take and the yield is low.

So in that human study they needed comparisons. So they attached the DAC to 3 analogs.

The first was simply sticking it onto GRF(1-29) w/ Lysine glue. This they called CJC-1288. The reason they did not call it GRF(1-29) is because they added the Lysine and their patented DAC.

That is precisely why the term CJC was used. Predictably CJC-1288 degraded rather quickly because it had no amino acid swaps to make it stronger. So within minutes there was cleavage at the 2nd position. GRF(1-29) has little to no bioactivity when that occurs.

They then made the swap I have been talking about. They swapped Arginine at the 2nd position for a more resistant D-Arginine. No other swaps were made. They then used the Lysine sticky and attached the DAC.

The Lysine/ DAC seems to confer a little more protection from degradation via stiff arm.

This peptide was named CJC-1293. Note that it is the same peptide discussed above where there is just the one swap. The half-life of that peptide is still below 10 minutes. Adding the DAC made CJC-1293 have a longer half-life.

But if you you remove the DAC or call if CJC-1293 (w/o the DAC) you know what you end up with? You end up with That old analog of GRF(1-29) with Arg swapped for the D form at the 2nd position. It is barely better then GRF(1-29). In fact I was being a bit kind to it by saying less then 10 minutes. The half-life is around 5 minutes.

Then in that same study they took GRF(1-29) and made 4 amino acid substitutions. The one at the 2nd position as just described and 3 more. This made the GRF structure more viable and to that they attached the Lysine glue and the DAC.

This they called CJC-1295.

You know what you get when you take off that Lysine/DAC? You get GRF(1-29) w/ 4 amino acid swaps. This is called tetra-substitued in that study. The term tetra is Greek for four. So it could be called 4-sub. Bob liked the term tetra-sub. But just to fuck with him I decided to call it modified. Seriously I don't know why I labeled it that exactly. That has a half-life of a bit more then 30 minutes.

Now adding the DAC gives Modified GRF(1-29) and also the analog w/ just the 2nd amino acid a longer half life. The DAC on Modified GRF(1-29) gives it a half-life of half a week. But having a GHRH always around means the GHRH-receptors just leak GH all the time. That is what I mean by GH bleed.

There is some good speculation that CJC-1295 could cause pituitary problems because of the chronic bleed. I looked at this pretty hard and even wrote something on it. I have the opinion that lower doses will not present such a problem but the higher doses used in the study make me back off my opinion. I advised taking a break if you did run genuine CJC-1295 at those study doses. I believe in the well respected JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) concern was expressed over CJC-1295 as an open ended question.

So how and why does it come to pass that a retailer labels GRF(1-29) w/ one amino swap and a piss poor half-life as CJC-1293...then goes on and states that THAT is the technical term for something with 4 amino acid swaps? I shouldn't tell on myself. Well you know how I am prone to go off on a tangent sometimes? Well once on "the private board with no name" I whipped off such a post and made the statement that CJC-1293 was Modified GRF(1-29). It sat there for maybe a month and when I revisited it I had to laugh at my mistake and of course I deleted it (so noone would know ****can make a mistake).

SO I am not saying that a retailer just took from me and then pretends such a thing springs from his own genius. It is entirely possible that I am not the only idiot. But seriously what are the odds... right?

Bottom line though is if you have CJC-1293 w/o the DAC you have a peptide inferior to modified GRF(1-29). But who really knows what you have? Stenlabs use to sell Gaba/Gabob as MGF.
 
BORROWED from my favorite research chemist and peptide expert.

this explains EVERYTHING about 1295 vs 1293 and then some. not mine, but 100% accurate

Thank you :winkfinger:
 
BORROWED from my favorite research chemist and peptide expert.

this explains EVERYTHING about 1295 vs 1293 and then some. not mine, but 100% accurate

That guy is THE MAN!

Ive learned a lot from him
 
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