After 10 weeks of Sust 250 q 4 days (weeks 1-10), with 4 weeks of Var 50 mg ed (for weeks 6 – 10). I decided not to start the PCT of Clomid 50 mg d x 20 days as planned…instead I started Winni 50 mg daily and continued with the Var 50 mg daily too, it has been three weeks since I stopped the Sust and 4 days with the Winni and the Var...I will only be using the Winni/Var for another 6 weeks…
Why? Because I was not happy with the overall package…sure I know that I am lame, and vain, and yes lacking the patients to do things the professional way…I am going to continue with the Winni and the Var…my question is what should I expect to happen now? ( i dont think i am havimg any side effects...no sore nippels, i am abit tired and lack desire to HIT the gym but could be mental) AND should I start taking the Clomid regardless.
I wanted to gain 10 – 15 lbs and reduce BF…I was (at the vary beginning before any consideration of using AAS), 178lbs with 21.2%...when I started really hitting the gym and refined my diet after 6 weeks or so I was 176 lbs and BF of 19.8 (I did cardio every morning for 40 min prior to eating and would wait for 40 min to eat my first meal). Upon starting ASS I was 178 and 19.8 BF. At week ten I was 189 and 11.6 BF…but I am not pleased with the overall look. I know that there is a lot of water in me from the Sust…but if I could get my BF to 7% (I was there once and loved the look!!!), I would be happy and find it worth the effort…
We’re all allowed to make stupid mistakes…mine was listening to a friend who I thought he knew what he was talking about. I followed his direction and only found this forum AFTER I had already started…next time if I ever do it again I will seek PROFESSIONAL help and guidance!
But the question still remains…SHOULD I START THE CLOMID NOW? OR WAIT TILL I AM DONE WITH THE WINN/VAR? OR DO ALL THREE NOW?
You don't start Pct while you are still running winny and Var Pct means post cycle therapy. You aren't post cycle. These are the guys that make everyone else look bad. Research would have helped immensely here. Not a good candidate to begin with but it's too late now.
typical results for a recomp cycle. The oral only part is going to make your joints sore and make you a little foggy. You'll probably dry out some and look better by the end of it. Honestly though, 90% of the gains are temporary. Why do you think everyone on this board stays on all the time. To really solidify the gains you have to PCT and come right off for many months. You look and feel like crap for 8 weeks. The next 8 weeks you feel semi normal. The 3rd 8 weeks and you feel like you can make natural gains again. By the 4th 8 weeks you are recovered and can finally see the added base your use left you with. AAS makes your slkeletal muscle stem cells lay down more cells which merge with existing cells giving them more volume and added nuclei. The nuclei are a permanent addition. that means after your body finally adjusts back to normal it can produce more muscle growth b/c the cells have more nuclei. Thre real gain out of a 20 lb gain made on something like test and an oral is probably closer to 2-4 lbs once the artificial size from water retention and added glycosomes is accounted for. Still 2-4 lbs in a 3 month period is more than most nati guys put on in a year. The careat is if you just stay on and keep blasting away you might get some more size but you will eventually never recover and never be more than you were at the beginning once you are natural again. Believe me, after 3-4 years of constant AAS use you want to come off. Then it's one hell of a fall and recovery period..that is if you can recover.
I lol'd at the part where you asked if you should start the clomid while still taking winni and var. How do you expect pct to bring your natural test production back while you're still taking AAS? You've already admitted you didn't research so I'm gonna spare you that. But you should definitely stop now and start your pct in two days or so. If you think you feel like shit now just wait until the test has completely left your system. Get on your pct, maybe run some aromasin as well. When you drop some water weight you will look better. I wouldn't extend your cycle another 6 weeks if you intend to make a good recovery at this point.