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Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story

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Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story'

In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, the cosmologist shares his thoughts on death, M-theory, human purpose and our chance existence

Stephen Hawking dismisses belief in God in an exclusive interview with the Guardian.

A belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a "fairy story" for people afraid of death, Stephen Hawking has said.

In a dismissal that underlines his firm rejection of religious comforts, Britain's most eminent scientist said there was nothing beyond the moment when the brain flickers for the final time.

Hawking, who was diagnosed with motor neurone disease at the age of 21, shares his thoughts on death, human purpose and our chance existence in an exclusive interview with the Guardian today.

The incurable illness was expected to kill Hawking within a few years of its symptoms arising, an outlook that turned the young scientist to Wagner, but ultimately led him to enjoy life more, he has said, despite the cloud hanging over his future.

"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he said.

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark," he added.

Hawking's latest comments go beyond those laid out in his 2010 book, The Grand Design, in which he asserted that there is no need for a creator to explain the existence of the universe. The book provoked a backlash from some religious leaders, including the chief rabbi, Lord Sacks, who accused Hawking of committing an "elementary fallacy" of logic.

The 69-year-old physicist fell seriously ill after a lecture tour in the US in 2009 and was taken to Addenbrookes hospital in an episode that sparked grave concerns for his health. He has since returned to his Cambridge department as director of research.

The physicist's remarks draw a stark line between the use of God as a metaphor and the belief in an omniscient creator whose hands guide the workings of the cosmos.

In his bestselling 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking drew on the device so beloved of Einstein, when he described what it would mean for scientists to develop a "theory of everything" ??? a set of equations that described every particle and force in the entire universe. "It would be the ultimate triumph of human reason ??? for then we should know the mind of God," he wrote.

The book sold a reported 9 million copies and propelled the physicist to instant stardom. His fame has led to guest roles in The Simpsons, Star Trek: The Next Generation and Red Dwarf. One of his greatest achievements in physics is a theory that describes how black holes emit radiation.

In the interview, Hawking rejected the notion of life beyond death and emphasised the need to fulfil our potential on Earth by making good use of our lives. In answer to a question on how we should live, he said, simply: "We should seek the greatest value of our action."

In answering another, he wrote of the beauty of science, such as the exquisite double helix of DNA in biology, or the fundamental equations of physics.

Hawking responded to questions posed by the Guardian and a reader in advance of a lecture tomorrow at the Google Zeitgeist meeting in London, in which he will address the question: "Why are we here?"

In the talk, he will argue that tiny quantum fluctuations in the very early universe became the seeds from which galaxies, stars, and ultimately human life emerged. "Science predicts that many different kinds of universe will be spontaneously created out of nothing. It is a matter of chance which we are in," he said.

Hawking suggests that with modern space-based instruments, such as the European Space Agency's Planck mission, it may be possible to spot ancient fingerprints in the light left over from the earliest moments of the universe and work out how our own place in space came to be.

His talk will focus on M-theory, a broad mathematical framework that encompasses string theory, which is regarded by many physicists as the best hope yet of developing a theory of everything.

M-theory demands a universe with 11 dimensions, including a dimension of time and the three familiar spatial dimensions. The rest are curled up too small for us to see.

Evidence in support of M-theory might also come from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva.

One possibility predicted by M-theory is supersymmetry, an idea that says fundamental particles have heavy ??? and as yet undiscovered ??? twins, with curious names such as selectrons and squarks.

Confirmation of supersymmetry would be a shot in the arm for M-theory and help physicists explain how each force at work in the universe arose from one super-force at the dawn of time.

Another potential discovery at the LHC, that of the elusive Higgs boson, which is thought to give mass to elementary particles, might be less welcome to Hawking, who has a long-standing bet that the long-sought entity will never be found at the laboratory.

Hawking will join other speakers at the London event, including the chancellor, George Osborne, and the Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

Science, truth and beauty: Hawking's answers

What is the value in knowing "Why are we here?"

The universe is governed by science. But science tells us that we can't solve the equations, directly in the abstract. We need to use the effective theory of Darwinian natural selection of those societies most likely to survive. We assign them higher value.

You've said there is no reason to invoke God to light the blue touchpaper. Is our existence all down to luck?

Science predicts that many different kinds of universe will be spontaneously created out of nothing. It is a matter of chance which we are in.

So here we are. What should we do?

We should seek the greatest value of our action.

You had a health scare and spent time in hospital in 2009. What, if anything, do you fear about death?

I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first. I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.

What are the things you find most beautiful in science?

Science is beautiful when it makes simple explanations of phenomena or connections between different observations. Examples include the double helix in biology, and the fundamental equations of physics."
 
everybody is entitled to an opinion...can he prove there is no after life or that God doesnt exist ? no ...so its just an opinion the man is a genius tho so i do have alot of respect for his work
 
He was pretty good in that Family Guy episode.
 
everybody is entitled to an opinion...can he prove there is no after life or that God doesnt exist ? no ...so its just an opinion the man is a genius tho so i do have alot of respect for his work

that is like me saying Unicorns exist, and you cannot prove they don't.
 
that is like me saying Unicorns exist, and you cannot prove they don't.

So you can say with 100% confidence that there is no creature remotely like the unicorn in the entire universe? With all the myriad opportunities for life in the universe, all the possible permutations of life, there is nothing like the unicorn?
 
are u kidding Prince ? do ya really wanna get into a religius debate on here about wether there is a God or not...i most def dont ...and i do believe in unicorns prove me wrong go ahead
 
So you can say with 100% confidence that there is no creature remotely like the unicorn in the entire universe? With all the myriad opportunities for life in the universe, all the possible permutations of life, there is nothing like the unicorn?

no, but I think I can say with 100% confidence there are no unicorns on the face of this earth.
 
are u kidding Prince ? do ya really wanna get into a religius debate on here about wether there is a God or not...i most def dont ...and i do believe in unicorns prove me wrong go ahead

all I did is post an article from a very well known genius, believe what you want.

I don't have to prove unicorns don't exist, if you say they do the onus is on you to prove they do exist.
 
everybody is entitled to an opinion...can he prove there is no after life or that God doesnt exist ? no ...so its just an opinion the man is a genius tho so i do have alot of respect for his work

No one can prove he does exist as well.
 
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ok ok please lol this is makin me crazy ....obviously the unicorn is a joke but cmon u cant debate religion ...i mean please ....its an endless debate ....u cant tell me that i am wrong and there is no GOD and i cant make u believe there is ...i did enjoy ur thread hawkings is a genius
 
no, but I think I can say with 100% confidence there are no unicorns on the face of this earth.

God is not from here. He's from out there somewhere. So to say there is no god is to say that such a being cannot exist anywhere in the universe.
 
God is not from here. He's from out there somewhere. So to say there is no god is to say that such a being cannot exist anywhere in the universe.

take your argument up with Stephen Hawking.
 
No being has been proven the be perfect, therefore a "god" doesn't exist.
Its only a fabricated belief that makes certain people feel hopeful in life.
 
ok ok please lol this is makin me crazy ....obviously the unicorn is a joke but cmon u cant debate religion ...i mean please ....its an endless debate ....u cant tell me that i am wrong and there is no GOD and i cant make u believe there is ...i did enjoy ur thread hawkings is a genius

I am not arguing religion, we have done that countless times here.
If you want my opinion I think religion was created to control the masses, period, and it works even to this day. However, religeon and spirituality are completely different, I am not arguing whether a god exists or not, Stephen Hawking is. I just thought it was an interesting article.
 
Hey, it's just a theory...

Also an opinion, and he is entitled to his as much as anyone who is a true believer in the fairy tale. I don't believe in God or the idea of Heaven and Hell. Why does anyone who doesn't agree with the fable seen to piss off those who do?
 
Religious people are crazy like that, and its pitiful, and that's a fact.
 
oh man i see this one is really gonna take a life of its own like that WP not legit thread ...i hope not but just in case where is that lil smilely face wit the couch and the popcorn
 
Hey, it's just a theory...

Also an opinion, and he is entitled to his as much as anyone who is a true believer in the fairy tale. I don't believe in God or the idea of Heaven and Hell. Why does anyone who doesn't agree with the fable seen to piss off those who do?

because religious people think that everyone should believe in what they do, if you don't then you're wrong in their eyes, according to them if its in the bible its true. my family is all devote christians and they think I am going to "hell" because I have not accepted Jesus as my savior. :mooh:
 
Religious people are crazy like that, and its pitiful, and that's a fact.

There does seen to be a correlation between the fundamentalist folks and manic behavior. Maybe Stephen can come up with a scientific experiment to show a causal relationship. My family is all Lutheran. I grew up in church. I was around five when I realized the people around me actually BELIEVED what they were hearing. Shocked the hell out of me.
 
There does seen to be a correlation between the fundamentalist folks and manic behavior. Maybe Stephen can come up with a scientific experiment to show a causal relationship.




Good for him if he did, their inanity just seems pretty obvious to me.
 
because religious people think that everyone should believe in what they do, if you don't then you're wrong in their eyes, according to them if its in the bible its true. my family is all devote christians and they think I am going to "hell" because I have not accepted Jesus as my savior. :mooh:

Yep, me too.
 
who's crazy ? me ? how is it pitafull for sumone to believe in sumthin stongly enuff to stand up and speak out bout it ...believe me im not that person ...i believe with out a doubt but unfortunatly i dont live my life like a person who believes should in fact im not that good of a person but that dont change the fact that i believe and have the utmost respect for ppl who live their life according to living the way the bible teaches ...but that def is not me ...to each there own but the point is nobody can say for sure what is next ...nobody ...so there nuthin to debate
 
Hey, it's just a theory...

Also an opinion, and he is entitled to his as much as anyone who is a true believer in the fairy tale. I don't believe in God or the idea of Heaven and Hell. Why does anyone who doesn't agree with the fable seen to piss off those who do?

You're 100% correct. It's not like there aren't groups trying to force their beliefs on religious organizations. Or organizations of theists trying to push their agenda against religious organizations.

Yeah, only religious people get upset about stuff like that. :shrug:
 
who's crazy ? me ? how is it pitafull for sumone to believe in sumthin stongly enuff to stand up and speak out bout it ...believe me im not that person ...i believe with out a doubt but unfortunatly i dont live my life like a person who believes should in fact im not that good of a person but that dont change the fact that i believe and have the utmost respect for ppl who live their life according to living the way the bible teaches ...but that def is not me ...to each there own but the point is nobody can say for sure what is next ...nobody ...so there nuthin to debate

you DO know that the bible was HEAVILY edited by King James' scholars right?
That's a KNOWN FACT that ALL Christians accept as true? The Vatican does not dispute this fact.

So how the fuck are you gonna tell me, you should follow the teachings in the bible when a DICTATOR rewrote as much of it as he saw fit, to CONTROL his people with FEAR.
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Also you know what the bible teaches?
Incest is Okay.
Women are subservient to Men.
An Eye for Eye.

....I could go on and on. You are TOTALLY FUCKING BLIND if you are a christian and furthermore, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN READ YOUR OWN RELIGIOUS TEXT.

Fuck you and all those like you.

I understand wanting comfort. But at least admit it's bullshit.
 
who's crazy ? me ? how is it pitafull for sumone to believe in sumthin stongly enuff to stand up and speak out bout it

Its crazy for anyone to chastise or condemn those who don't believe what they do. Much like those who believe everyone should look, act,
and think the same on everything in one big world of dullness. A big reason why racism, dictatorship, and terriorism will always exist.
 
You're 100% correct. It's not like there aren't groups trying to force their beliefs on religious organizations. Or organizations of theists trying to push their agenda against religious organizations.

Yeah, only religious people get upset about stuff like that. :shrug:

being religious and being atheist are both radical beliefs (left and right), nothing positive comes from that, just like Dems and Repubs, its much better to take the intelligent stance and admit that neither are right and neither can be proved.
 
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