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    Many weapons used by Mexican drug gangs originate in U.S.

    Report: Many weapons used by Mexican drug gangs originate in U.S.

    By Ed Payne, CNN
    UPDATED: 01:32 PM EDT 06.14.11

    A trio of Democratic U.S. senators called for tougher firearms laws and regulations after releasing a report that showed a large number of weapons used by Mexico drug gangs originate north of the border.

    More than 70% of 29,284 firearms submitted to the U.S. Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for tracing by the Mexican government during 2009 and 2010 originated in the United States, according to the report.

    The report, released Monday, is the latest element in a debate over how large a role the United States plays in arming the ruthless Mexican drug cartels that are responsible for more than 34,000 killings since 2006.

    Proponents of stricter gun controls say that the staggering numbers of U.S. weapons that end up in Mexico show that something must be done to control arms smuggling.

    But others say that the numbers are skewed, arguing that Mexico asks the ATF to trace only weapons that it believes are from the United States.

    "Congress has been virtually moribund while powerful Mexican drug trafficking organizations continue to gain unfettered access to military-style firearms coming from the United States," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat.

    Feinstein was joined in her call by Sens. Charles Schumer, D-New York, and Sheldon Whitehouse, D-Rhode Island.

    In a letter this month to Feinstein, the ATF acknowledged that the United States keeps no record of criminal firearms seized in Mexico and that "the Mexican government does not submit every recovered firearm to ATF for tracing."

    As a result, the ATF-provided figures may not be representative of all firearms recovered by Mexican officials.

    "This report confirms what many of us already know to be true. ... It is still too easy for Mexican drug lords to get their hands on deadly military-grade weapons within our borders," Schumer said. "We need to redouble our efforts to keep violent firearms out of the hands of these traffickers."

    The senators are calling for reinstatement of an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and better enforcement of a ban on the import of military-style weapons.

    They also want to close a provision that allows private sellers at gun shows to sell weapons without a background check.

    "This report outlines common sense measures that will help protect our border and our communities by keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of Mexican gangs and drug cartels," Whitehouse said.

    Violence associated with drug cartels has been a growing problem in Mexico, resulting in thousands of deaths and arrests for corruption throughout law enforcement.

    "We're seeing large-scale violence that we didn't see 20 years ago," Andrew Selee, director of the Mexico Institute at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars in Washington, said in May.

    Mexico has been critical of what it sees as lax U.S. efforts at blocking guns from ending up in the wrong hands.

    "It is clear that the availability of high-powered guns in the United States for Mexican criminals is hurting bilateral security," Mexican National Security spokesman Alejandro Poire told CNN in February. "We would hope to see an overwhelming response from the United States government to prevent these guns from getting into Mexico."

    In a 2010 speech to the U.S. Congress, Mexican President Felipe Calderon called for action similar to what the U.S. senators propose.

    "If you don't regulate the sale of arms in the right way, nothing guarantees that the criminals won't have access to these," Calderon said. "There are more than 7,000 gun stores along the border with Mexico where anyone can buy. I ask Congress to help us and understand how important it is to have strong laws to avoid arming the criminals."

    Calderon put the number of weapons from the United States even higher, at 80% of all assault weapons seized in Mexico.

    The ATF is also under fire for allegations that it allowed known and suspected gun smugglers to purchase hundreds of weapons in the hope that they could be traced to their ultimate destination, believed to be border region crime syndicates.

    Sen. Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican, has said that under the operation, ATF lost track of hundreds of those guns.

    The allegation the ATF knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who then transported them into Mexico is "false," according to Assistant Attorney General Ronald Welch.

    Despite the criticisms, the United States has not been inactive on the arms smuggling issue.

    In February, 17 people were indicted in Arizona in five separate cases of illegal trafficking of arms that were destined for Mexico.

    Operation "Too Hot to Handle," as it was known, involved about 300 weapons -- mostly assault rifles and automatic pistols -- that were seized in Arizona, Texas and Mexico. It involved the use of "straw purchasers" to buy and then transfer the guns to the criminal groups.

    The operation "revealed the lengths that criminal organizations will go to in illegally procuring weapons for Mexican drug cartels," Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agent Matt Allen said at the time.

    From CNN.com

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    I thought I saw an article the other month about the Mexican gov wanted to file suite against US arms manufactures regarding this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    I thought I saw an article the other month about the Mexican gov wanted to file suite against US arms manufactures regarding this...
    Truth.

    There are a number of articles available on that topic. Here's part of one:

    Mexico to file lawsuit against U.S. gun industry


    By Jim Kouri

    In what’s being characterized as Mexico’s latest attempt to squeeze the United States for more cash, the officials of that corrupt and impoverished country announced yesterday they’ve hired a United States law firm in order to sue the U.S. gun industry.

    President Felipe Calderon and other Mexican government officials are accusing American manufacturers and retailers of providing the guns that are illegally exported to Mexico by the drug cartels.

    With the Mexican officials admitting that 35,000 people have been killed in Mexico since Calderon became President of Mexico in 2006 at which time he declared all-out war on the drug cartels and their associates, observers believe these officials are seeking to put the blame for the death and violence on their northern neighbor.

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    The atf is involved in arming the cartel
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    Evils guns are the problem. It isn't the drug cartels. They'd all be hanging out in church every day if the gringo didn't give them a gun.

    Don't look in the Mexican't backyard and take care of the problem. Just sue somebody else because they make when the US government ships down south. If they don't get guns from us they'll get them from somewhere else. Doesn't make it right but for crying out loud, fix the corruption in Mexico.

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    They aren't getting them like we would get them, by walking into a store. Most likely they place huge orders with manufacturers through fronts posing as anything from South Am. military to Mexican law enforcement agencies or even the actual agencies themselves who are corrupt turn around and sell them to the gangs....
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    It's not like we're one of the biggest arms dealers in the world, just saying.

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    Did brain dead Feinstein and dickless Schumer happen to mention that it was the ATF itself who was responsible for a shit load of these illegal weapons ending up in the hands of the cartels?

    But noooooooo, only us law abiding citizens are the ones who get punished with new worthless laws.

    Fucking idiots!!!
    Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    Evils guns are the problem. It isn't the drug cartels. They'd all be hanging out in church every day if the gringo didn't give them a gun.

    Don't look in the Mexican't backyard and take care of the problem. Just sue somebody else because they make when the US government ships down south. If they don't get guns from us they'll get them from somewhere else. Doesn't make it right but for crying out loud, fix the corruption in Mexico.
    Why should they fix Mexico when they can just come here?

    You know, and fuck that up too.


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    This just in: Many of the weapons used in Iraq and Afghanistan by the so called "terrorists," are also manufactured here in the U.S.

    And that kinda shit has been going on for years, now.

    Again, citizens of the U.S. have no choice, but to shut up and take it on the chin!

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    Come on guys law enforcement is a business, you can't catch everyone and then sit around doing nothing, you gotta spread some guns around and keep things fresh, it's job security.....and it's capitalism at it's best....
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    Heard on the radio this afternoon that BATFE agents were assigned to observe and report arms being smuggled into Mexico. Not to do anything to stop it, just observe and report. And nothing was done after they filed their reports.

    Business as usual. Corruption on both sides of the border.

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    "More than 70% of 29,284 firearms submitted to the U.S. Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for tracing by the Mexican government during 2009 and 2010 originated in the United States, according to the report."

    Who cares. It could be 100%, the Mexican government decides which firearms to submit. It's a meaningless statistic.
    Obviously a large percentage of guns in Mexico come from the giant country bordering them. Limiting the freedom of United States citizens because of another country's criminal population is ridiculous and we are not dumb enough to fall for it. Hey assholes, do something productive like securing the border instead of taking away our rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troubador View Post
    Hey assholes, do something productive like securing the border instead of taking away our rights.
    But there's not enough money to be gained by that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troubador View Post
    Hey assholes, do something productive like securing the border instead of taking away our rights.
    never going to happen, increased personnel is the only thing slated for the southern border...we live in a world with out walls between countries. borders are "protected" by immigration laws to prevent people from moving to were the work is. now labour is stationary and capital transcends international borders.

    in the 80's you couldn't travel across europe without getting the shit stamped out of your passport, today it is the exact opposite. it's all part of globalization.

    regarding corruption in Mexico...you have to look at it from their perspective. the federal police make about $300 US a month and inflation is pretty high in Mexico. they basically pay the same amount for goods (no food items) as we do. going up against drug cartels looks good on tv and in the movies but in reality, fuck that...
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