Is havoc very good for stregnth and bulk? I just ordered 2 bottles
Last edited by BigPapaPump68; 08-09-2011 at 08:57 PM.
I will try it on my next cycle
Havoc is the baby/mildest ph's around, its good for some lean small gains. Dont expect 15-20lbs but it will dry/lean you out with proper diet and training.
you gotta do 50mg ed in my opinion...Im 220, it was the sweet spot!
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Yeah I'm using 30 right now and nothing really noticeable so I may go to 40.
my first run with epistane (ibe havoc clone) i gained about 14 lbs, dropped bodyfat and kept 12 lbs on post cycle - dosed 30/30/30/30-40/40 .. at 40 i started to see puffy nips and gains really werent much better than 30 was for me. Just like Orbit said, everyone reacts differently to some degree, work it up slow and find the dose that works for you