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    State bans use of tanning beds by minors

    State bans use of tanning beds by minors

    Reuters - Minors in the state of California will no longer be allowed to use tanning beds after Governor Jerry Brown signed a bill on Sunday prohibiting anyone under the age of 18 from using ultraviolet tanning devices.

    California is the first state in the nation to ban minors from using tanning beds, legislators said.

    Previously, California had banned minors under the age of 14 from using tanning beds, but allowed those between 14 and 18 years of age to use tanning beds with parental consent.

    The bill was part of a cluster of legislation signed on Sunday designed to "improve the health and well-being of Calfornians," according to a statement from the Governor's office.

    "I praise Gov. Brown for his courage in taking this much-needed step to protect some of California's most vulnerable residents -- our kids -- from what the 'House of Medicine' has conclusively shown is lethally dangerous: ultraviolet-emitting radiation from tanning beds," the bill's sponsor, state Senator Ted Lieu, said in a statement.

    "If everyone knew the true dangers of tanning beds, they'd be shocked. Skin cancer is a rising epidemic and the leading cause of cancer death for women between 25 and 29."

    The law will go into effect on January 1, 2012, according to Lieu's office.

    (Reporting by Mary Slosson. Editing by Peter Bohan)

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    huh.....a teen can get an abortion without parental knowledge yet they can't go in a tanning bed....dumb....

    liberals will ban their precious sun next for fears of tanning depleting their bullshit expensive, non-long term job producing green energy scam
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    huh.....a teen can get an abortion without parental knowledge yet they can't go in a tanning bed....dumb....

    liberals will ban their precious sun next for fears of tanning depleting their bullshit expensive, non-long term job producing green energy scam
    And lesbian parents can give their son hormone shots to stop him from physically maturing, but they're not allowed to take him to a tanning salon.

    Liberal logic for the fail.
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    that's fine they can go to the beach or pool and burn the shit out of themselves rather than tanning safely in a tanning bed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    liberals will ban their precious sun next for fears of tanning depleting their bullshit expensive, non-long term job producing green energy scam
    at least that won't cause a global banking collapse like bank deregulation for sub-prime lenders did in 2007 thanks to GWB and his super awesome economic expansion that INCREASED the poverty rate during his presidency...in the past 40 years the ONLY thing the GOP has done for the working class is the continuing opening up of credit markets to get the people more in debt. it's what they did in the 80's and the 2000's...
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    huh.....a teen can get an abortion without parental knowledge yet they can't go in a tanning bed....dumb....
    God help us one of those unwanted teen babies were to be born and adopted by a gay couple.

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    If they let minors drive and play sports then they can go tanning too!

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    I was just thinking about how wonderful California is doing with their resources... fucktards.

    I'm not an expert, but don't they have trouble meeting their fiscal obligations? Focussing legislative resources here doesn't make sense to me. But what do I know?

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    Are you guys kidding me? This is a good thing. These things are way more dangerous than lying in the sun, and kids honestly don't have the maturity for shit nowadays because of horrible parenting. People getting skin cancer early = higher insurance premiums for us and people who tan responsibly.
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    whats next?

    Create a new brand of law enforcement known as the sun police? Make sure they drive segways and look like robocop. Patrolling beaches and parks, coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squigader View Post
    Are you guys kidding me? This is a good thing. These things are way more dangerous than lying in the sun, and kids honestly don't have the maturity for shit nowadays because of horrible parenting. People getting skin cancer early = higher insurance premiums for us and people who tan responsibly.
    people fail to acknowledge that tanning in a bed is at least monitored somewhat in that a person knows how long they're getting uv rays.....when in the sunlight most people don't pay attention to the amount of time they're in it.....tit for tat......tanning in a bed IS safer than sunlight in this case (if monitored for exposure)......

    but this is a racist ban anyway.....dark people don't need the extra exposure....light colored people need it for the vitamin from the uv
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    Quote Originally Posted by squigader View Post
    Are you guys kidding me? This is a good thing. These things are way more dangerous than lying in the sun, and kids honestly don't have the maturity for shit nowadays because of horrible parenting. People getting skin cancer early = higher insurance premiums for us and people who tan responsibly.
    I don't see how more laws and regulation are ever really a good thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    I don't see how more laws and regulation are ever really a good thing.
    Agreed. I'd rather have my tax dollars spent on something worthwhile. Sick of hearing about budget shortfalls when money is being spent on bullshit regulation. How about this; regulate derivatives, regulate what goes in my food, regulate banks, but don't waste resources regulating what people do to themselves.

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    I disagree with the government telling anyone what they should or should not do. However it is the states decision. If the state makes this rule then the state is accountable to their citizens and that law can be easily overturned with enough signers to a petition.
    The reason it should be the states responsibility to pass such laws is the fact that they can easily be overturned and it is easier to go to your state capital and protest vs the national capital.

    This idea does infringe on personal liberties. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    I don't see how more laws and regulation are ever really a good thing.
    there are a lot of stupid people in the US, some of them need to be told what they can and can not do and what is good for them. a perfect example are the new laws some states are passing about texting and driving.

    laws and regulations are needed...take the business world in the US it is quite obvious not many do right thing unless required by law. do you honestly think that things would get better of the EPA was abolished?

    laws are punitive by nature and in reality they don't protect anybody and they never have in world history...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    there are a lot of stupid people in the US, some of them need to be told what they can and can not do and what is good for them. a perfect example are the new laws some states are passing about texting and driving.

    laws and regulations are needed...take the business world in the US it is quite obvious not many do right thing unless required by law. do you honestly think that things would get better of the EPA was abolished?

    laws are punitive by nature and in reality they don't protect anybody and they never have in world history...
    Dude, you cannot enforce common sense. Especially not with government regulation.
    Your not supposed to drink and drive...........does that stop anyone? Why dont we demand that our state and local government focus on something with a little more substance?
    Seriously if you think you need the government to help you with simple logic then you might as well ask them to spend your tax dollars to pay them to wipe your ass as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    there are a lot of stupid people in the US, some of them need to be told what they can and can not do and what is good for them. a perfect example are the new laws some states are passing about texting and driving.

    laws and regulations are needed...take the business world in the US it is quite obvious not many do right thing unless required by law. do you honestly think that things would get better of the EPA was abolished?

    laws are punitive by nature and in reality they don't protect anybody and they never have in world history...
    one might argue texting and driving is different from a tanning bed. public safety vs. individual safety. if you tan i'm fine. if you text and drive i might be injured on the highway the government built because you are endangering others. Just like drinking and driving. can't do it. you can drink, and you can drive, just not at the same time. it's a safety and commerce thing. California is seriously fucked up right now. that government is dealing with tanning instead of righting their bankrupt economy. an economy that is one of the biggest in the world
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    there are a lot of stupid people in the US, some of them need to be told what they can and can not do and what is good for them. a perfect example are the new laws some states are passing about texting and driving.

    laws and regulations are needed...take the business world in the US it is quite obvious not many do right thing unless required by law. do you honestly think that things would get better of the EPA was abolished?

    laws are punitive by nature and in reality they don't protect anybody and they never have in world history...

    Also, you seem like a slightly intellectual feller. Lets look at this objectively.

    Business does bad business= Business not making profit=No more business
    Business does bad business+Gov Regulation=Corporate loopholes+Bad business still being conducted with "Oversight" so the bad company can justify their bad practice.
    No regulation means there would be exposure to their wrongdoings. People would stop using them. It really is simple.
    The only laws that apply to man or any other object of matter are the Laws Of Physics. Our intuition of right and wrong are what should rule and guide you. People often use the argument "Well if you werent told, how would you know it was wrong". Simple, when someone close to you dies are you told that you should feel bad or does intuition dictate emotion?
    So is theft possibly plausible? Stealing back from a theif what isnt theirs to begin with? Murdering a man who murdered your child wrong?
    There are exceptions to every rule. You just have to look at things objectively.

    If you want to start a debate Thread I would enjoy exchanging ideas with you. You seem wrong on quite a few things........jk

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbiek426 View Post
    Also, you seem like a slightly intellectual feller. Lets look at this objectively.

    Business does bad business= Business not making profit=No more business
    Business does bad business+Gov Regulation=Corporate loopholes+Bad business still being conducted with "Oversight" so the bad company can justify their bad practice.
    No regulation means there would be exposure to their wrongdoings. People would stop using them. It really is simple.
    The only laws that apply to man or any other object of matter are the Laws Of Physics. Our intuition of right and wrong are what should rule and guide you. People often use the argument "Well if you werent told, how would you know it was wrong". Simple, when someone close to you dies are you told that you should feel bad or does intuition dictate emotion?
    So is theft possibly plausible? Stealing back from a theif what isnt theirs to begin with? Murdering a man who murdered your child wrong?
    There are exceptions to every rule. You just have to look at things objectively.

    If you want to start a debate Thread I would enjoy exchanging ideas with you. You seem wrong on quite a few things........jk
    Actually I'm not wrong as you are forgetting that the US is the youngest highly industrialized country at only 300+ years...all the things you have mentioned have already been tried before in other countries hundreds of years ago before we all became connected via globalization decades ago. there are certain moral obligations to people and society that supersede the "rights" of capitalism. take for example the loss of home equity in the late 2000's that wealth will never be made up, it is economically impossible when so many are unemployed, under-employed and suffering from wage stagnation. the US has one of the most corrupt forms of "capitalism" on the planet, all due to extensive lobbying which is not allowed in most countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    there are a lot of stupid people in the US, some of them need to be told what they can and can not do and what is good for them. a perfect example are the new laws some states are passing about texting and driving.

    laws and regulations are needed...take the business world in the US it is quite obvious not many do right thing unless required by law. do you honestly think that things would get better of the EPA was abolished?

    laws are punitive by nature and in reality they don't protect anybody and they never have in world history...

    Great example... The new Alabama immigration law...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    Actually I'm not wrong as you are forgetting that the US is the youngest highly industrialized country at only 300+ years...all the things you have mentioned have already been tried before in other countries hundreds of years ago before we all became connected via globalization decades ago. there are certain moral obligations to people and society that supersede the "rights" of capitalism. take for example the loss of home equity in the late 2000's that wealth will never be made up, it is economically impossible when so many are unemployed, under-employed and suffering from wage stagnation. the US has one of the most corrupt forms of "capitalism" on the planet, all due to extensive lobbying which is not allowed in most countries.
    Your heart is in the right place your head is not.

    I have no moral obligation to help anyone. I help people who I feel truly need it and are willing to help themselves. Our ideas are not different. The approach to achieving those ideas are where we do differ.
    I believe everyone should be able to afford healthcare. I dont believe the government is the best choice. I believe that privatized healthcare that allows GROWTH in the system is the way to go. The medical insurance companies have a monopoly and real lobbying force so the start of a new insurance company is not going to happen. Government takes its hands out the lobbyist are ineffective.
    As for the housing issue. You cannot blame the free market because our market is far from free. We rely on a system that is broken and driven by the federal reserve. Our money isnt even "American" money. Its private, its secretive and it has the authority to set its own interest and own value.
    We will never get ahead in a system which has this much authority over the Government and the people. Funny enough that a Rothchild has the same idea. See quote.
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    We have to take a step back. Your ideas are fine and if the majority wants a good job and a good home and an honest monetary system then I believe majority wins.
    However in the current system we cannot provide that. Hyper-inflation sets in and what normally costs 1 dollar costs 5 and so on. I mean you have to notice it.
    Like I said, I have no quarrels with your ideas but surely you do not think that these things are attainable in the current system. Let the government do its job according to the Constitution and print and regulate money based on REAL value. Dont give that power to a central bank who owes no allegiance to this country.
    If we do away with the central bank capitalism can work. The free market can work because we as consumers will once again have buying power and those who practice bad business and put their profits before the consumer will be put out of business.
    I have no problem with social programs. I dont think that they should be a means to an end but I am fine with assistance from the government. That is why we pay taxes. But you and I as an individual should determine who receives our charity, not the government. You and I should be able to choose our own outcomes as adults. I dont mind socialistic ideas on paper, but only 50% OF AMERICAN PAY TAXES! I hope you dont like the idea of 50% getting a free ride. In Switzerland 80 some odd % pay taxes and boom, they have whatever they want. Free college, free healthcare, real retirement and government mandated vacation. But they have 20 times the revenue per capita than we do. In a country where only 50% pay taxes we cannot support these programs. The 50% who need them are not paying for them but they feel entitled to them so they become "entitlement" programs. Not fair to you and not fair to me as taxpayers. If we had 75% + paying taxes we could definately support these systems and ideas but since we do not it is not logical to ask for such things because if we got what your asking for now we would be paying 1:1 for these programs. 3:1, I dont mind it. But not 50/50 bro.

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    there hasn't been free markets in the US since for 100 years. and if you want to get technical in a true free market society there are no corporations. a corporation with limited liability is an invention of government. tariffs, subsidies, quotas, state licensing, copyrights, etc. are all various forms of protectionism which would not exist in a true free market society. but there is no country in the world that has true free markets.

    the banking collapse in 2007 was the result of extensive lobbying by suprime lenders along with self-regulation of hedge funds and wallstreet investment houses that were allowed to function as banks out of the reach of federal oversite. there are reports from Princeton, Harvard, the IMF and World Banks, FRB all stating such as I have read them all. I worked as a mortgage broker for about 10+ year and closed thousands of loans so I am quite familiar with the US financial system.

    Wages have lagged far behind productivity since the 80's due to the low rate of unionization in the US. All this info is in the ILO Global Wage Reports from 2008/2009 and 2010/2011. you can find them on the ILO website or just do a search on Global Wage Reports.

    When the US abandoned manufacturing in the 80's for monetarism and the growth of capital investment large amounts of public debt where needed as it fuels the financial system of any country. unions help to bring up wages for everyone not just union workers. the US has the highest percentage of low paid workers in the OECD at 25% of the labor force. the US also has the lowest rate of unionization in the OECD at 13% of he labor force. the ILO Global Wage Reports state that country's with unionization rates of less than 40% of the labor force will suffer from low and/or stagnant wages. this is from data collected over 130 countries since the 70's and compiled by the ILO and OECD. the CPI has been artificially manipulated to understate inflation since Nixon. this also fuels wage stagnation and causing the population to incur more debt. when wages lagg behind productivity they can be brought up with out causing price inflation, this is economics 101.

    In the early 80's economic policy was changed to take the US in the direction it is in now. the unions were smashed first to take away the power of the working class to fight for far wages THEN manufacturing was systematically off shored so company's could save on payroll boosting profits which in turn leads to higher stock shares.

    all of these events were the result of economic policy and not of the natural function of the markets.

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    See your still stuck on party lines. I believe if the majority wants the programs then we should have them, but we need more tax revenue (not from the rich) but from the 50% that doesn't pay taxes. I am not a republican so pointing out flaws with the party of sellouts doesnt do much for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbiek426 View Post
    See your still stuck on party lines. I believe if the majority wants the programs then we should have them, but we need more tax revenue (not from the rich) but from the 50% that doesn't pay taxes. I am not a republican so pointing out flaws with the party of sellouts doesnt do much for me.
    party lines have nothing to do with it. I spend about 1,000-1,500 hrs a year doing research on economics and have been for the past 15 years. I am a realist, I get all my information about the economy from the raw data, I don't even watch the news. do I have issues with the GOP most certainly I do, as I have a firm grasp of economics and science and it easy very easy to see through their tricks over the decades.

    50% of the labor force can not afford to pay federal income tax they do not earn enough in wages. as you go down the ladder of the income quintiles not only is there a drastic decrease in wages but increases in wages decrease drastically. the loss of the ability to see wage growth as productivity increases was lost during the union busting days of the 80's. now workers are at the mercy of the flawed CPI which has been understating inflation by about 7% since the days of Nixon. the GDP of the US is also manipulated but that is a different topic all together. since 1979 those in the 2 lower income quintiles have seen wage growth at rates of 1% a year or less. the median household income in the US with 2 full time wage earners makes about $1K a year more than 1 adult male did working full time in 1975.

    public debt is what fuels the financial system in any country. those at the bottom of the wage ladder are being held there to fuel the growth of the self serving financial system which is where those in the top 20% of the income ladder are employed.
    Last edited by LAM; 10-11-2011 at 10:59 PM.
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