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    liver support absolutely necessary for 4 week dbol

    starting a 12 week test e cycle in a few weeks with a 4 week dbol kicker at 40mg/day. Aromasin at 12.5 eod (to start will increase if necessary) and hcg at 500mg twice a week.

    I have never been a drinker of any kind and I don't take any medications. I drink about 1.5 gallons of water a day. I have seen some that say liver support is not necessary for a short run of dbol and can actually hamper the effectiveness. Liver seems to be a champ. values always come out real clean.

    What are everyone's thoughts on this? Do I need to run a UDCA or TUDCA anyways?

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    HCG at 500mg, or IU?

    Liver support is always a good idea, yet if you can have weekly tests ran and keep a close eye on it, then it may not be needed for a 4 week cycle.
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    too many times liver toxicity is overstated.....the problem is that an individual doesn't really know how much they're individually affected internally by a compound....and this varies from person to person.....some are good without protective aids, others need and should use everything at their disposal....

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    Is there any science that suggests that liver support does anything? And, testimonials don't amount to scientific proof.

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    ^^ I am fairly sure I saw a report awhile back that showed three different studies providing lab results on three different test groups involving OTC meds. Granted these were not UGL steroids, yet prescribed meds.

    The tests showed liver values were substantially better than the control group in which both underwent LONG-TERM treatments. (long-term = 4 months or more)

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    Why risk it?

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    And besides, liver support supplements are always a good idea. There's enough crap in our food and the environment in general that our livers handle for us as it is. Why risk more stress on the liver without taking a liver support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadlifter405 View Post
    And besides, liver support supplements are always a good idea. There's enough crap in our food and the environment in general that our livers handle for us as it is. Why risk more stress on the liver without taking a liver support?
    What convinced you that taking liver supplements makes your liver healthier and helps rid our body of "crap" in our environment?

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    You'll be ok for 4 weeks. If you want to go 6, pick up some liver support. Don't drink, take unnecessary medications, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    too many times liver toxicity is overstated.....the problem is that an individual doesn't really know how much they're individually affected internally by a compound....and this varies from person to person.....some are good without protective aids, others need and should use everything at their disposal....
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    too many times liver toxicity is overstated.....the problem is that an individual doesn't really know how much they're individually affected internally by a compound....and this varies from person to person.....some are good without protective aids, others need and should use everything at their disposal....
    Quote Originally Posted by exphysiologist88 View Post
    Is there any science that suggests that liver support does anything? And, testimonials don't amount to scientific proof.
    these^

    I'm not convinced milk thistle and the like have any positive effect on the liver, and I've also heard that increased liver enzymes are not necessarily indicative of actual liver damage, just that the liver is working harder

    if anything your liver will heal quickly after you stop using orals, given that you haven't totally overdone it and done serious damage, which I think is unlikely

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    Quote Originally Posted by anxious1 View Post
    HCG at 500mg, or IU?

    Liver support is always a good idea, yet if you can have weekly tests ran and keep a close eye on it, then it may not be needed for a 4 week cycle.
    iu. just a typo never seen anyone actually reference mg for hcg.

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    Bro,
    I would relax after reading all this info. All the above have mad experience and big hitters in here trying to help you. I too believe that milk thistle isn't the best IMO. I use liver care and lots and lots of water. Cranberry juice is good for the liver too if your into juice. Just have to watch the additives and sugar. Get the light if you can.


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    I always Use IronMagLabs advanced Cycle Support. On cycle I use 4 caps spread throughout the day with meals. On a cruise or off cycle I use 2 caps a day with food. I really like this product. Why not use support supplements? They do help from my experiences with them. Best way to tell is to get blood work done. Dianabol, as others have said, is not going to cause an issue for most people but if you have hep C, a bad liver for some reason, an alcoholic, or using prescription meds that may be hard on the liver like accutane or anitfungals then I would try to avoid oral AAS's all together. If not then go for it but use a support supplement if you are able to afford the extra protection.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisotpherm View Post
    Bro,
    I would relax after reading all this info. All the above have mad experience and big hitters in here trying to help you. I too believe that milk thistle isn't the best IMO. I use liver care and lots and lots of water. Cranberry juice is good for the liver too if your into juice. Just have to watch the additives and sugar. Get the light if you can.


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    Yeah I appreciate the reponses from all...I was pretty sure I would be fine with what I plan on running. Even though there is a variety of opinion on the subject it's good to confirm I am not too far out in left field even though there are two well established camps of thought on the subject.

    Thanks again. cranberry juice is always a good thing too so thanks for the reminder been awhile since I've taken it regularly.

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