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    Best GH protocol for Off Cycle?






    What's up dudes? I was thinking abou trying some GH. I'm almost 2 weeks into my PCT and I plan on taking a long break to recover from the long cycle I just had. I figure GH would give me something to do and keep me really focused in my off time.

    I wanted to know what is the best way to take GH in this situation. Would it be better split first thing in the morning and then 6 hours later? Or would it be better to take it all post workout? Should I do it everyday or do a 5 on 2 off cycle?

    I've done a little research into this but I'm still pretty new. I planned on taking 5iu per day. Should I increase it? Also planned on taking it for at least 200 days.
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    Hey! I'm going to do exactly that too. I started a thread a week or so ago and got a lot of good info from heavy and V.
    I'm going to try to do 5 iu/day. 5 on 2 off. 6 months. Victor said he injects twice daily, once in the morning and again in the early afternoon.
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    ^Yes, once as soon as I wake up (7am) and the second shot around 2pm. I suggest splitting the dose in two only if you are using more than 4iu. Sloppy, how old are ya? The older you are, the less you will need. Are you looking to keep cut or to add mass? 5-2 works fine. Try to run it for at least 5-6 months bro...otherwise it's a waste of $ IMHO.



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    This article may not be for you sloppy because it's obvious you already done research. However it's still a good article:



    So, first of all, why is Growth Hormone such an attractive drug to bodybuilders?
    "HGH (and the IGF-1 that is a result of its use) is the only substance that can actually initiate hyperplasia. While the use of anabolic steroids can cause hypertrophy (the enlargement of existing muscle cells), steroids do not offer the ability to recruit and mature more muscle cells. HGH can. HGH also increases protein synthesis, which can be responsible for hypertrophy.

    "You also have to understand that normally, after puberty, the body stops growing new muscle cells. The number of muscle cells is genetically fixed for the rest of the life span, and the most that can happen is to increase the size of these cells through weight training or steroids. However, by using HGH the body can actually grow new muscle cells. This allows the body to reverse genetic dispositions and achieve a desired muscle density."

    For someone new to its use, what is a safe and effective starter dose?
    "For gaining lean muscle and substantially improving body composition a dose of 4-8 i.u.'s a day will be necessary. Most people will respond very well at a dose of 4-5 i.u.'s per day. For maximum benefit in this regard, the addition of Testosterone, Insulin, and low dose T3 would be something to seriously consider.

    "As a general rule the best way to start an HGH program is to start with a low dose and ease the administration into the higher doses. This will avoid, or at least minimize, many of the common side effects of HGH such as bloating, joint pain and swelling. Most people can tolerate approximately 2 i.u.'s with few side effects, so that would be the recommended starting dose. A scheduled program would look like this:

    Week 1-4: HGH 2i.u.'s one injection

    Week 5: HGH 2.5 i.u.'s one injection

    Week 6: HGH 3 i.u.'s split into two injections of 1.5 i.u.'s each

    Week 7: HGH 3.5 i.u.'s split into two injections of 1.75 i.u's each

    If at any point in this progression unbearable bloating or joint pain becomes an issue, the dose must be reduced by 25% and held at a lower dosage for a couple of weeks. If the side effects subside, progression may resume back up towards desired level. If the side effects remain, the dose must be reduced again and held at a lower level for two weeks before beginning upward progression. This method will keep the HGH experience a good one with minimal side effects."

    HGH is not administered like standard injectables, what is the injection procedure?
    "HGH is dispensed in the form of a lyophilized powder. Any other form advertised is NOT true HGH. The only way to administer true HGH is by a sub-q or intramuscular injection.

    "HGH is somewhat fragile by nature, and it needs to be protected from light and heat. HGH should be stored between 36 and 46 degrees Fahrenheit at all times both before and after its reconstitution. All brands of HGH should be refrigerated after being reconstituted, and all brands should be protected from light at all times."

    Is there a best time of day for administration?
    "The body produces HGH in a continuous pulsatile fashion throughout the day with the highest pulses occurring approximately 2-3 hours after going to bed and falling into deep sleep. Injectable HGH is completely absorbed and activates within approximately 3 hours. The strategy with respect to timing depends somewhat on age and other elements of the cycle. There is no single best strategy...it depends a lot on your individual situation."

    Can you give us some examples?
    "For those in their late 20's to early 50's, there is a chance that the endogenous production of HGH is still at a reasonable level. The best time to take an injection in this case would be early morning...after your body's own release of HGH in the night. If you get up to go to the bathroom in the early morning, this is probably the perfect time to take a couple of units of HGH. The second best time would be first thing in the morning when you wake up.

    "If you are splitting your doses, it is good to take them when your cortisol levels are at a peak, which is when you wake up and in the early afternoon. Cortisol is very catabolic by nature and a well-timed HGH injection can go a long way to blunting this effect.

    "Yet another strategy should be considered if one is using insulin with HGH. Insulin should be used immediately post work out. HGH and insulin do some great things together - they shuttle nutrients in a very complimentary way to each other - and the combination of HGH and insulin create the best environment for IGF-1 production. If one is using insulin immediately post workout, this would be a recommended time to take a number of units of HGH."




    It has been claimed that lean body mass gains and fat loss are achieved with GH without and change being made to the diet, care to comment on this?

    "A high protein diet is often recommended to help efforts to build muscle and lose fat. Adequate protein is required for building muscle and other tissues. Various sources advise people to consume anywhere from 0.6 to 1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight per day."

    How long does it take for results to kick in?
    "It should be noted that for the vast majority of HGH users, results are not rapid and visible in nature. If your idea of using HGH is to get ripped in a few weeks , gaining 20lbs of muscle in a matter of a month or two, or being miraculously healed in a matter of a few injections...you are likely to be in for a BIG disappointment. HGH does some pretty incredible things, but it HAS to be viewed as a long term endeavor. A reasonable length HGH cycle would be 20-30 weeks in length. While you will always be able to find one or two individuals who will make great strides in a short amount of time, the majority need to be dedicated to its use for the long haul for it to be a worthy venture."

    What effect does it have on the healing of damaged tissue that cannot be achieved by regular anabolics and why is this effect so profound?
    "HGH has the ability to increase lean body mass, shorten a bodybuilder's recovery time between workouts, and improve overall athletic performance. HGH helps strengthen ligaments and joints, and promotes faster healing of damaged tissue. In addition, HGH can increase the body's capability for protein synthesis and for proper absorption of essential immune defensive molecules into the damaged site."

    Some people use HGH to combat adrenal fatigue, could it also alleviate the symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome?

    "Adrenal fatigue is a term applied to a collection of non specific symptoms such as body aches, fatigue, nervousness, sleep disturbances and digestive problems. The term often shows up in popular health books and on alternative medicine web sites, but it isn't accepted medical diagnosis.

    "The adrenal glands produce a variety of hormones that are essential to life. The medical term ‘adrenal insufficiency', or Addison's disease, refers to inadequate production of one or more of these hormones as a result of an underlying disease. Signs and symptoms of adrenal insufficiency include fatigue, body aches, unexplained weight loss, low blood pressure, light headedness and loss of body hair. Proponents of the adrenal fatigue diagnosis claim this is a mild form of adrenal insufficiency caused by chronic stress. The unproven theory behind adrenal fatigue is that your adrenal glands are unable to keep pace with the demands of perpetual fight-or-flight arousal. As a result, they can't produce quite enough of the hormones you need to feel good. Existing blood tests, according to this theory, aren't sensitive enough to detect such a small decline in adrenal function - but the body can. The latest research demonstrates that adrenal fatigue is connected to the growth hormone loop in a distinct way, since taking HGH releasers (consistently over many months) has helped to improve energy levels."

    Finally, what is the best liquid to use when it comes to the reconstitution of HGH?
    "Bacteriostatic Water (BW), Sterile Water or even liquid vitamin B12 can be used for reconstitution. What we choose to reconstitute it with should depend on how rapidly we use the GH. Bacteriostatic Water is basically sterile water with 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol added, and this alcohol keeps anything from growing in the water, thus making it safe for injection for the longest period of time...up to three weeks. For the common use for bodybuilding (2-5 i.u.'s a day) and the more commonly used vial size (10 i.u.'s) it isn't really critical which of the afore mentioned diluents are used...the vial will be used up long before bacteria or anything begins to grow in our reconstituted HGH."


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    ready heavys gh article. you will like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post

    As a general rule the best way to start an HGH program is to start with a low dose and ease the administration into the higher doses. This will avoid, or at least minimize, many of the common side effects of HGH such as bloating, joint pain and swelling. Most people can tolerate approximately 2 i.u.'s with few side effects, so that would be the recommended starting dose. A scheduled program would look like this:

    Week 1-4: HGH 2i.u.'s one injection

    Week 5: HGH 2.5 i.u.'s one injection

    Week 6: HGH 3 i.u.'s split into two injections of 1.5 i.u.'s each

    Week 7: HGH 3.5 i.u.'s split into two injections of 1.75 i.u's each
    Good article indeed. However, the doses above would best suit someone in their 40s, not someone in their late 20s or early 30s, IMHO. Dose is also dependent on what you wish to gain from GH. 2iu for someone in their early 30s, such as myself...would go unnoticed. IMHO!!!



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    I jump in at 3-4 iu GH daily my first week or so then crank it up. I'm mid forties so....

    I get mild swelling in my hands but no biggie.




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    Awesome info. Thank you everyone!

    Vic, I'm in my mid-20's. So I figured I needed to start pretty high. Looks like I might start at 5 and maybe even go higher.

    This is a racket! The old guys make all of the money and they don't even need that much GH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SloppyJ View Post
    Awesome info. Thank you everyone!

    Vic, I'm in my mid-20's. So I figured I needed to start pretty high. Looks like I might start at 5 and maybe even go higher.

    This is a racket! The old guys make all of the money and they don't even need that much GH!
    No shit huh?!! I'm looking at needing 800 iu to run it at 6 iu for 6 months! Not cheap!
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    You got some $$ to spend?


    10iu's EOD. Ive got a friend on this dose, no AAS....4 months in and he looks v good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorZ06 View Post
    Good article indeed. However, the doses above would best suit someone in their 40s, not someone in their late 20s or early 30s, IMHO. Dose is also dependent on what you wish to gain from GH. 2iu for someone in their early 30s, such as myself...would go unnoticed. IMHO!!!



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    I agree, but I think the point of the article is that if you've never used hgh, you dont want start with a high dose right away, to avoid sides. I think the schedule can be ramped up quite a bit.

    It does say that you will need 4-8ius to gain lbm and improve body composition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hench View Post
    You got some $$ to spend?


    10iu's EOD. Ive got a friend on this dose, no AAS....4 months in and he looks v good.

    IM? Subq? What's his schedule look like? And would that be any better than 5iu ED?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SloppyJ View Post
    IM? Subq? What's his schedule look like? And would that be any better than 5iu ED?
    Couple options, for getting a little more cut and some possible fat loss and all the other little pros, going sub-q is fine ED or 5-2. Looking for more mass, best to use a high dose (something like 10iu or more), and I would go IM. Do this during the hardest work out days that you work the biggest muscles, and inject with a slin pin into your biceps, triceps, delts, etc....3-4 times a week, avoid quads and glutes.

    In other words, if you are taking 40iu a week for example...for small signs, inject 2.5iu ED......OR.....take 10iu 4 days a week via IM. The latter method will be more effective for adding mass IMHO. Toss slin in there, and it's a different beast all together, IMHO. Others will have different protocols and theories...I'm just telling you my past personal experiences when I experimented, as well as what I have seen with my own eyes from others.




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    So your saying sub q for fat loss, and Im for muscle gain? Interesting, I have to try that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorZ06 View Post
    Couple options, for getting a little more cut and some possible fat loss and all the other little pros, going sub-q is fine ED or 5-2. Looking for more mass, best to use a high dose (something like 10iu or more), and I would go IM. Do this during the hardest work out days that you work the biggest muscles, and inject with a slin pin into your biceps, triceps, delts, etc....3-4 times a week, avoid quads and glutes.

    In other words, if you are taking 40iu a week for example...for small signs, inject 2.5iu ED......OR.....take 10iu 4 days a week via IM. The latter method will be more effective for adding mass IMHO. Toss slin in there, and it's a different beast all together, IMHO. Others will have different protocols and theories...I'm just telling you my past personal experiences when I experimented, as well as what I have seen with my own eyes from others.

    Thank you bro!


    I think I'll start off at 5iu per day then when I start my cycle I might switch it to 10iu ED IM to try and gain some mass.

    Since I'm only taking 5iu is it beneficial to split that into one AM dose and another dose 6hrs later? Or would just 5iu's every morning be okay?
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    Half life is 6 hours max so twice daily would be ideal but all at once will work. I'm with Vic on this one. AM and early afternoon.




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    What are your guys thoughts on needing t3 while on gh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot1405 View Post
    So your saying sub q for fat loss, and Im for muscle gain? Interesting, I have to try that.

    HGH is only effective once it reaches the bloodstream, so I honestly don't know what difference it would make. The only difference is that it would enter the bloodstream quicker via the IM route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exphysiologist88 View Post
    What are your guys thoughts on needing t3 while on gh?
    GH may cause fluctuations in thyroid output but the fluctuations are typically small and resolve themselves in a few months. Thyroid hormones are likely not needed but they do help with fat loss so using them is fine.




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    Running 5 on 2 off at 2-3 iu's is actually pretty cheap.
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    is one brand of hgh, or type, better than the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMO View Post
    HGH is only effective once it reaches the bloodstream, so I honestly don't know what difference it would make. The only difference is that it would enter the bloodstream quicker via the IM route.

    Don't quote me but I believe the thought behind that is to pin the GH right after a hard workout to shuttle it to your muscles. So IM would be beneficial here since we don't have much time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SloppyJ View Post
    Don't quote me but I believe the thought behind that is to pin the GH right after a hard workout to shuttle it to your muscles. So IM would be beneficial here since we don't have much time.
    Yup, pin it PWO and have a whey shake with water.


    Unless you plan on staying on a very long time I would pin EOD, I haven't bookmarked the study but this schedule leads to considerably less suppression of natural GH secretion as compared to ED.

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    What is of interest to me who is not trying to compete or get ridiculously huge is could the use of peptides for an extended period similar to GH usage (4-6 months). I am thinking CJC1295 w/DAC, Ipa/Hexarelin, GHRP-2/6. I know that is not GH but for many it is more financially viable. Curious what all of your thoughts are on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    What is of interest to me who is not trying to compete or get ridiculously huge is could the use of peptides for an extended period similar to GH usage (4-6 months). I am thinking CJC1295 w/DAC, Ipa/Hexarelin, GHRP-2/6. I know that is not GH but for many it is more financially viable. Curious what all of your thoughts are on that?
    Hgh is fairly cheap, might as well run the real stuff.
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    I'm on the CJC/Mod combo right now along with some igf. I really enjoy it but honestly it just made me wonder what the real thing is like. The biggest effect I get is better sleep and waking up ready to go.

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    Fair enough guys, I just get zero sides from peptides and have great success from much shorter runs as well. Even 6 weeks of Ipa at 300mcgs a day is amazing for fat loss, recovery and injury healing around joints.
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    I'm really enjoying them too. But to me it's like a PH vs. Real Gear debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SloppyJ View Post
    I'm really enjoying them too. But to me it's like a PH vs. Real Gear debate.
    You are not the first to say that and yes, I agree that is a very accurate comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SloppyJ View Post
    Don't quote me but I believe the thought behind that is to pin the GH right after a hard workout to shuttle it to your muscles. So IM would be beneficial here since we don't have much time.

    If you are using Slin, yes...but localized injects will still do nothing for you. It HAS to enter the bloodstream.

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