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    Potential first cycle

    In all of my research of figuring how some of this shit works and if I ever want to take any of it I keep ending back at Testosterone Enanthate. I think I would like to do a cycle of test e at some point. Been reading this Using Testosterone for Muscle Gains and similar articles. This guys seems like hes got most of the bases covered but I would like to get current information from real people who have use this shit. The basic layout is:

    Weeks 1-10:
    *500mg testosterone per week
    *1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
    *1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
    *1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
    *320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

    Week 11:
    *300mg testosterone per week
    *1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
    *1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
    *1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
    *320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

    Week 12:
    *200mg testosterone per week
    *1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
    *1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
    *1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)
    *320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

    Week 13:
    *1.25mg of finasteride per day
    *.25mg of Arimidex every other day
    *100mg of clomid every day

    Week 14:
    *1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
    *50mg of clomid every day

    I started working out at 145 pounds about year ago. Now I'm ~175. I'm 26 years old and 6'2. Finish line goal is 210-220 pound range @ 10% body fat. If I ever take this or something similar I wanted to do it before I get to old. I would like to use something like this once and access the results and see where to go from there. So I want something that has lasting gains from a one time use. How does this sound? Can anyone share some insight and point me in the right direction for more research.
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    Couple issues there, why are you taking finasteride? Do you already have hairloss issues? If not I would most definitely get rid of that, the side effects are not worth the incredibly small chance that just testosterone at that dosage is going to be a problem for your hairline. Also it seems like you're going on some kind of "taper" protocol which is as far as I know a very outdated way of doing things. There's also no need to be running clomid DURING your cycle, you're going to be supressed while on and clomid isn't going to change that. Run the test @ 500mg per week, divided into two injections of 250mg. .25mg A-dex either every day or every other day, depending on your particular sensitivity/proclivity to estrogenic side effects. I need .25mg ED pretty much but I would start on the low end and see how you react. Run the test like this for 10 weeks, allow two weeks after your last injection for the esters to clear and then run clomid for four weeks. So like this


    Wks 1-10
    Test E 500mg per week, 250mg roughly every 3.5 days
    Arimidex .25mg every day or every other day
    (optional) hcg 500iu 2x weekly

    wks 10-12
    continue with arimidex protocol, or preferably switch to aromasin

    wk.12
    100mg clomid every day

    wks. 13-16
    clomid 50mg every day
    IF and only IF you have switched to aromasin run that during pct @25mg per day the first two weeks and 12.5mg per day the final two weeks of pct. If you are only using arimidex it would be best to drop that at around week 12, as it can cause estrogen rebound issues and you will want to stop it while you're using a serm to prevent gynecomastia etc.


    As long as you keep up with diet and training you should be able to maintain a good portion of your gains indefinitely.

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    i agree with digitalash, keeping it simple for a first cycle. if you are worried about hair loss better not run any gear. many older men i train take finasteride to prevent their prostate from enlarging while running a cycle.

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    well about the hair, I have long hair, like metallica 1986 long. lol.
    So tapering out week 11 and 12 doesn't do anything? I'm kinda iffy on injecting in the first place so would I take the hcg same day like mon fri?
    Is that post cycle good should anything else be taken?
    And what are some other supplies that are good to have on hand for a cycle like this?
    Anything to do as a pre cycle?

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    Pre cycle I would just work on getting your bodyfat fairly low, below 15% at the least

    Tapering was used back when they didn't really have all the good pct chems we have now, there's really not much point these days with all the things available. Pinning is a piece of fucking cake though, everyone here will agree it doesn't hurt at all. It's 99% mental, once you get over that fear and realize that you literally can't even feel the muscle it's a walk in the park. It's like .0001 second of a mild stinging as it goes through the skin and then it's over.

    Stick with clomid (and aromasin if you don't mind spending a little money, it can be found cheap though and is worth it IMO). 100mg clomid the first week, 50mg the next three. Start pct two weeks after your last injection.

    Test really isn't much of an issue when it comes to hairloss though, unless you're using some pretty large dosages for a lonngg time I wouldn't even let it cross your mind. Your hair will be just fine and you don't really want to subject yourself to any more side effects with the finasteride.

    As for hcg, if you can get it then go ahead and use it. It'll help your recovery and keep your nuts the same size throughout the cycle. You can pin it the same day as your test if you like, or just use an insulin pin which is like a metal hair.. you won't even notice it. HCG needs to be refrigerated though so plan for that.


    edit: as for other things to have on hand, nolva is great for peace of mind. It can be difficult getting you AI dosage just right especially without bloodwork, so it's nice to know if you start gettig gyno symptoms you can stop it cold with some nolva. Look for reputable research chem companies and you can get clomid/nolva/a-dex/aromasin etc. very cheap (for research purposes only of course)

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    what should the total price be for this cycle?

    Where did you guys all get your info on the subject? This all seems simple enough, any ebooks or torrents worth reading?
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    It's all about genetics. Some people are Ok and most will lose it. Stick with the finesteride or proscar. Your scalp will get dry and thin. At the very least it will prevent hair lose and in my case regrow. Also you can use Nizoral shampoo 2%. Very effective for me. No tapering as others have said. Test E is self tapering. 500mg a week has become bro science for a first cycle. You will grow plenty from 300-400mg for a first cycle. See how you react to the compound and adjust on your next. Nobody does just one cycle. I start with 400mgs for 12 weeks and cut it short because my progress stopped at 9. Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.-Dennis Miller

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    what should the total price be for this cycle?

    Where did you guys all get your info on the subject? This all seems simple enough, any ebooks or torrents worth reading?
    read the stickies bro, a lot of info is in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
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    I started working out at 145 pounds about year ago. Now I'm ~175. I'm 26 years old and 6'2. Finish line goal is 210-220 pound range @ 10% body fat. If I ever take this or something similar I wanted to do it before I get to old. I would like to use something like this once and access the results and see where to go from there. So I want something that has lasting gains from a one time use. How does this sound? Can anyone share some insight and point me in the right direction for more research.
    Kudos for having the balls to post pics. Well you've been training for a year, but in my opinion a year isn't long enough. Your age is fine and you've made progress, but I would suggest waiting until you've maxed your natural potential. I sat on the fence and researched for almost 2 years before I ran my first cycle.

    Especially with being younger, you don't have to worry about hairloss as much unless you are running a DHT like winny, though it's still a possibility.

    Let me tell you from personal experience that tall guys like us have it harder. You still won't be big at 210-220lbs IF getting big and cut is your goal that is... You will need to be at least 235 lean to be even close.
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    I wouldn't be taking this anytime soon, I just wanted to get the wheels in motion. Can't tell how much this is gonna cost and where I'm gonna get it. It would most likely take months to get all the supplies needed.

    Anyone want to take a guesstimate on my body fat? I was thinking like 10% but the one time I took all the measurements for some online test it said I was around 17%. Visible abs and obliques without doing any direct ab work and 17% body fat?

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    Personnally i would make HCG a staples of any cycles,makes PCT so much easier!!!250 iu e3d!!!With that recovery is a walk in the park!
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    Tapering down on compounds is a great idea when your going high dose on these, i don't think tapering down at 500mg is absolutely needed,but just decreasing dose at 375mg on week 11 and 250mg on week 12 won't hurt for sure,not needed,but safer!!!
    The more harder and difficult is the road that lead to success,the greater is the gift and reward at the end of that path...

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    no clomid during cycle. i would rahter have hcg in pct then on cycle. Also dont taper down. thats for pussy's listen to the guys on here ull be gtg. 500mg every week split into 2 injects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    I wouldn't be taking this anytime soon, I just wanted to get the wheels in motion. Can't tell how much this is gonna cost and where I'm gonna get it. It would most likely take months to get all the supplies needed.

    Anyone want to take a guesstimate on my body fat? I was thinking like 10% but the one time I took all the measurements for some online test it said I was around 17%. Visible abs and obliques without doing any direct ab work and 17% body fat?

    You'd be surprised at what your bf% actually is and how much most people grossly under estimate. I think 17% is pretty close. Not that you're fat, it's just that true bf% is never what you think it is.

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