Help me choose my first "real" Cycle!!!

Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 120
  1. #1
    IDIOT POLICE
    vancouver's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    944

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    -3602618

    Help me choose my first "real" Cycle!!!

    OK, first off I have enough gear on hand to do 6 or 7 cycles. This will be my first "real" cycle. Long story short, I figured out I was low test 1 year ago, but suspected it a year or more before. I did a saliva test 13 months ago which showed low normal free test, but almost non-existant DHEA (stress from business, etc cought up to me, adrenal fatigue).

    In May I did dermacrine/S.A. with other Naty test boosters for 6 weeks. I've been on dhea since. I've put on 24lbs from Jan 1 to Dec 15 (at least 2/3ds muscle). I've been cutting for 1 month and I'm down 6lbs. In Sept I did some blood work and it showed test was 187, but everything else was normal. Even free test was normal. I've been putting off cycling to work with an Endo, but the first one was a douche working mostly with women and the second one had a bad rep, so yesterday I called in and said fuck it, I'll cycle and follow up in the summer.

    Hopefully the long winded intro to this thread will prevent some stupid uninformed suggestions...

    Goal; recomp, feel good! Cycles will be low dose and Zero of them will be test only so please resist the urge to recommend this. I've researched for more than 2 years, I've got a pretty good idea of the game plan, but nothing quite beats the experience of a vet.

    Stats; 38, 5'8", 195lbs (was 203 4 weeks ago), 20% BF. Been trainning off and on for 22 years. Starting packing on the fat Lbs 5 years ago, which is probably when the natty test started to fail. I was 174 and could squat 315 for 5 reps. I wont go into the sob life story, but I was a wreck 18 months ago, could not squat the bar for 10 reps.

    Bench 185X5 (my bench sucks), squat 265X5, deads 275X5, BB row, 185X5, overhead press 125X5.

    What I have on hand.

    90ml of Test E 250
    50ml of Test C 300
    75ml of Eq 250/300
    10ml prop 100
    50ml primo 100 (in the mail, 1 week dom)
    50 X 50mg Var
    PCT

    Cycles in post 2...
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

  2. #2
    IDIOT POLICE
    vancouver's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    944

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    -3602618

    Any of these cycles will do, I just want to know what the vets think . I'm not going to change the dose much of anything, no matter what the folks say...consider my goal...

    The original cycle I wanted to do...

    15 weeks
    1-15 250mg Test E
    1-15 400mg Eq
    3-15 HCG (500iu/2)
    1-15 10mg ED Aromasin
    18 Triptorelin 100mcg
    18-22 Igf-1 des
    18-21 Clomid 25 ED
    18-21 Sustain Alpha
    18-21 Natty supps, Creatine, test busters.

    Cycle 2

    1-12 250 Test E or C
    1-12 400 Primo
    3-12 HCG (500iu/2)
    1-12 10mg EOD Aromasin
    18 Triptorelin 100mcg
    18-22 Igf-1 des
    15-18 Clomid 25 ED
    15-18 Sustain Alpha
    15-18 Natty supps, Creatine, test busters.

    Cycle 3 (I just thought of it yesterday because I got a bonus vial of Prop in the mail), otherwise I was leaning towards cycle 2.

    1-3 100 Test Prop EOD
    1-12 250 Test E
    6-12 50mg Var ED (split in 2 doses)
    3-12 HCG (500iu/2)
    1-12 10mg EOD Aromasin
    18 Triptorelin 100mcg
    18-22 Igf-1 des
    15-18 Clomid 25 ED
    15-18 Sustain Alpha
    15-18 Natty supps, Creatine, test busters.

    I think I'll do the cycles in reverse

    3) lean bulk (off for 12 weeks after PCT)
    2) cut (off 16 weeks)
    1) lean bulk
    Last edited by vancouver; 01-13-2012 at 02:06 PM.
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

  3. #3
    THE WAR PIG
    SUPER MODERATOR
    XYZ's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    IM
    Posts
    5,456

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3
    Thanked in
    2 Posts
    Rep Points
    2147483647


    I would go see an endo before trusting a saliva test. Blood work trumps all.

    If it is low then start TRT and get your dose dialed in first, THEN the gears.

    By the looks of things you should be doing a little more reading.

    Good luck

  4. #4
    IDIOT POLICE
    vancouver's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    944

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    -3602618

    Quote Originally Posted by XYZ View Post
    I would go see an endo before trusting a saliva test. Blood work trumps all.

    If it is low then start TRT and get your dose dialed in first, THEN the gears.

    By the looks of things you should be doing a little more reading.

    Good luck
    You didn't read the whole thread. I did do blood with my doc and an Endo; 187 was the last score...

    Will not be dialing down a TRT dose. I'm going to cycle first, then follow up with a good Endo in this summer, it's going to take 6 months to get into this guy. I'll put off cycle 2 and 3 until I get TRT down...

    In the meantime...low dose cycle...

    Forgot to mention that I'll be getting blood work done every 2-3 weeks and my current doc whose a good guy will monitor...

    Thanks anyway though, cheers.
    Last edited by vancouver; 01-13-2012 at 01:46 PM.
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

  5. #5
    IDIOT POLICE
    vancouver's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    944

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    -3602618

    made an error to cycle 3 (too late to edit)

    Cycle 3 (I just thought of it yesterday because I got a bonus vial of Prop in the mail), otherwise I was leaning towards cycle 2.

    1-3 100 Test Prop EOD
    1-12 250 Test E
    8-14 50mg Var ED (split in 2 doses)
    3-12 HCG (500iu/2)
    1-12 10mg EOD Aromasin
    18 Triptorelin 100mcg
    18-22 Igf-1 des
    15-18 Clomid 25 ED
    15-18 Sustain Alpha
    15-18 Natty supps, Creatine, test busters.
    6-18 Liver Juice
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

  6. #6
    CHEMICALLY ENGINEERED
    Vibrant's Avatar


    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Europe
    Posts
    6,220

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    1039944761


    If you're going to cycle than 250mgs of test a week is pointless. That's barely above what a normal male produces in a week. for some people that's a trt dose. IMO, you need at least 400mgs for a decent cycle.

  7. #7
    Senior Member


    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Somewhere out there
    Posts
    2,033

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    -922422486


    test,tren,drols,ipam/cjc,igf-1 LR3 with a hint of slin

  8. #8
    vv MINE!!
    skinnyguy180's Avatar


    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    The Flip Side
    Posts
    3,301

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    35
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    91
    Thanked in
    55 Posts
    Rep Points
    618886058


    First off I'm no vet.

    Secondly your 5 foot 8 and 200lbs with not much muscle judging by your lifts. Personally I would take OP advice and get your shit together in the gym and trt before deciding to blast gear

    For first cycle I would do test only with maybe a dbol kick start. Like below running test at 250 a week ain't shit.

    Weeks 1-4 20-40mgs dbol
    Weeks 1-16Test e 500 a week
    25 adex eod

    And if your trt you probably wouldn't need a pct right?

    But to recap start your trt and get some gym time in.
    All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

  9. #9
    We Will Rise
    Imosted's Avatar


    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    1,683

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    331970509


    Quote Originally Posted by aminoman74 View Post
    test,tren,drols,ipam/cjc,igf-1 LR3 with a hint of slin

    Bro its his firt real cycle....that stuff is too much for him
    Use Coupon Code "IMImosted" to receive 10%-30% Off
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  10. #10
    IDIOT POLICE
    vancouver's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    944

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    -3602618

    Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post
    If you're going to cycle than 250mgs of test a week is pointless. That's barely above what a normal male produces in a week. for some people that's a trt dose. IMO, you need at least 400mgs for a decent cycle.
    I think a lot of vets are going to disagree, I'm staking a second compound; I would totally agree with you if I were doing test only. will I get better results with 400? For sure, but with greater sides. This is a first run and I'm prone to MPB, If things are going well at week 6, I might up it...
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

  11. #11
    CHEMICALLY ENGINEERED
    Vibrant's Avatar


    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Europe
    Posts
    6,220

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    1039944761


    Quote Originally Posted by aminoman74 View Post
    test,tren,drols,ipam/cjc,igf-1 LR3 with a hint of slin
    That's fucking idiotic advice even if you're joking. Dude is asking for help and that's the advice you give him? if you want to troll and joke around, do it in anything goes.

  12. #12
    vv MINE!!
    skinnyguy180's Avatar


    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    The Flip Side
    Posts
    3,301

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    35
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    91
    Thanked in
    55 Posts
    Rep Points
    618886058


    Quote Originally Posted by vancouver View Post
    I think a lot of vets are going to disagree, I'm staking a second compound; I would totally agree with you if I were doing test only. will I get better results with 400? For sure, but with greater sides. This is a first run and I'm prone to MPB, If things are going well at week 6, I might up it...
    Your wrong most vets on here would not agree. You should go back and read the sticky above titled first cycle. And then research the compounds your talking about using.
    All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

  13. #13
    CHEMICALLY ENGINEERED
    Vibrant's Avatar


    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Europe
    Posts
    6,220

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    1039944761


    Quote Originally Posted by vancouver View Post
    I think a lot of vets are going to disagree, I'm staking a second compound; I would totally agree with you if I were doing test only. will I get better results with 400? For sure, but with greater sides. This is a first run and I'm prone to MPB, If things are going well at week 6, I might up it...
    400 is a very low and safe dose. Test is actually one of the safest steroids. if you're worried about sides, then a test +primo cycle is your best bet IMO. Keep a proper dose of ai and you'll be fine.

    And pct should be (if you're planning on it):

    Clomid 100/100/75/50
    Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

  14. #14
    IDIOT POLICE
    vancouver's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    944

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    -3602618

    Quote Originally Posted by skinnyguy180 View Post
    Your wrong most vets on here would not agree. You should go back and read the sticky above titled first cycle. And then research the compounds your talking about using.
    BS. A lot of guys have had no problem gaining 10lbs on Var only, Eq only or Primo only on first cycle. I'm adding more than a maintanance level of test. If I gain 10 keepable lbs with little sides and no fat gain, I'll be very happy. I'll then do it 2 more times.

    If anything, I could up the Eq or Primo...I don't have to up the test.
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

  15. #15
    IDIOT POLICE
    vancouver's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    944

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Rep Points
    -3602618

    Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post
    400 is a very low and safe dose. Test is actually one of the safest steroids. if you're worried about sides, then a test +primo cycle is your best bet IMO. Keep a proper dose of ai and you'll be fine.

    And pct should be (if you're planning on it):

    Clomid 100/100/75/50
    Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5
    My PCT is listed in my cycle and I'm sticking to it. I also like the Primo cycle

    The Official PCT Thread - Primordial Performance Discussion Forums
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

Similar Threads

  1. "The REAL Truth ABout Steroids" (YouTube video)
    By Curt James in forum Anabolic Zone
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 10-10-2011, 08:23 PM
  2. First "real" cycle
    By manickanuck in forum Anabolic Zone
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 05-21-2011, 07:07 PM
  3. "She's a real Goal-Getter, that one..."
    By GoalGetter in forum Online Journals
    Replies: 2074
    Last Post: 11-10-2004, 12:09 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Copyright© 2001-2017 IronMag® Bodybuilding Forums