ive been on syd group winni, ara-test, lcarnitine, kynoselen and at 290 i have 35 inch waist at 12 bf%. iam not trying to bullshit you but it works, the lcarnitine is cardispan i think thats wat mex has in store for fat reduction. get it boy, you wont be disappointed. iam not here to rip bbers off as if it is no good i will say. but the combo of these 4 is great together. if u want i use var to but u wont need it w/ this combo.