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    First cycle. Thoughts and help please.

    21 yrs old. Been training off and on for about 5 years but only seriously for the last 2.
    I'm 6'2 205lbs about 8% bf. (On a cut right now but will obviously have a bulk diet once I start cycle)
    Lift stats: 455 DL 385 squat 305 bench

    Diet: 450g carbs, 120g fats, 250 protein for about 3900 calories. I've seen people people with a shitload more cals so I'd appreciate thoughts on this. From what I've read however 250g should be adequate, I have no problem bumping that up though.

    Cycle: 1-10 Test E 500mg/wk ( Injecting 2 x Per Week at 250mg each ie; Mon/Thurs )
    1-15 Aromasin 12.5mg/EOD (I've seen this done different ways, however just from my own research this seems to be a solid protocol for blocking titties, would be glad to have input on this)
    12-15 Nolvadex 20/20/10/10 ED. Again this is just from what I've read around the internet, I'm thinking of adding another week (week 16) and doing 10 ED for that week as well. This is something I definitely need some input on.)


    Ancillaries: IronMagLabs Advanced Cycle Support (They also sell a 6-oxo product that I've seen mixed thoughts on that I'm considering adding, would appreciate input on whether or not to implement that or if i can just save my money if its not needed)
    Rogaine and Nizoral shampoo to curb any hair loss
    Regular vitamins ED, E,C,D etc.
    GAT Jetmass which I already take post w.o


    Training Program: Right now I do a double progression program that is 5 phases each phase being 2 weeks. Incidentally it fits the 10 week cycle I'm going to do. My lifting partner and I have been doing this and despite its incredibly high volume (1.5-2 hr training sessions) we have both been gaining strength and weight at a constant rate. (He is 5'9 260lbs at roughly 14-15% bf for reference)


    Any and all help would be much appreciated. If I forgot any info or you require any more I'll be sure to reply quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tysdon View Post
    21 yrs old. Been training off and on for about 5 years but only seriously for the last 2.
    I'm 6'2 205lbs about 8% bf. (On a cut right now but will obviously have a bulk diet once I start cycle)
    Lift stats: 455 DL 385 squat 305 bench

    Diet: 450g carbs, 120g fats, 250 protein for about 3900 calories. I've seen people people with a shitload more cals so I'd appreciate thoughts on this. From what I've read however 250g should be adequate, I have no problem bumping that up though.

    Cycle: 1-10 Test E 500mg/wk ( Injecting 2 x Per Week at 250mg each ie; Mon/Thurs )
    1-15 Aromasin 12.5mg/EOD (I've seen this done different ways, however just from my own research this seems to be a solid protocol for blocking titties, would be glad to have input on this)
    12-15 Nolvadex 20/20/10/10 ED. Again this is just from what I've read around the internet, I'm thinking of adding another week (week 16) and doing 10 ED for that week as well. This is something I definitely need some input on.)


    Ancillaries: IronMagLabs Advanced Cycle Support (They also sell a 6-oxo product that I've seen mixed thoughts on that I'm considering adding, would appreciate input on whether or not to implement that or if i can just save my money if its not needed)
    Rogaine and Nizoral shampoo to curb any hair loss
    Regular vitamins ED, E,C,D etc.
    GAT Jetmass which I already take post w.o


    Training Program: Right now I do a double progression program that is 5 phases each phase being 2 weeks. Incidentally it fits the 10 week cycle I'm going to do. My lifting partner and I have been doing this and despite its incredibly high volume (1.5-2 hr training sessions) we have both been gaining strength and weight at a constant rate. (He is 5'9 260lbs at roughly 14-15% bf for reference)


    Any and all help would be much appreciated. If I forgot any info or you require any more I'll be sure to reply quickly.
    Stopped reading after the first sentence. NO.

    Though you are going to do it anyways so I guess it doesn't matter and we should help you right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suprfast View Post
    Stopped reading after the first sentence. NO.

    Though you are going to do it anyways so I guess it doesn't matter and we should help you right?
    If I'm going to do it anyways why not give me proper guidance? I'm not doing 100 things its a 10 week cycle of Test e. People like Cody Lewis have done much more much earlier and seem to be fine.

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    10 weeks of Test E will not screw him 4 life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kobefan234 View Post
    10 weeks of Test E will not screw him 4 life?
    are you asking this, or stating this
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    I think what suprfast is trying to say is... you are way to young too start steroids. And you've only been training for 2 years. You have at least another 4 to 5 years of serious training, and making great consistent gains without steroids.

    And besides... your "6'2 205lbs about 8%" Not like it matters... your too young bro, start hanging around the Training and Diet/Nutrition forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tysdon View Post
    If I'm going to do it anyways why not give me proper guidance? I'm not doing 100 things its a 10 week cycle of Test e
    Because they 47k other posts asking the same question have already been answered thoroughly. Id suggest searching and you will learn quite a bit.

    http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...le-advice.html

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    Any questions just ask. Do a little reading and if you feel that at 21 you HAVE to start we would rather you do it correctly then half assed. If you short change yourself because you dont have the income to run a proper cycle that is your problem. Too often we read that I ran out of AI, will I be okay. I dont have enough for PCT.
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    and as my disclaimer, not to be a dick, if you fail to follow what many of the experts here lay out as guidelines most of us will not care. If you follow and need help odds are we will do so willingly.

    Lastly, the thread of threads. Failure to read this one means you are not ready.
    Lots of pages but Heavy really is knowledgeable.

    http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...cycle-pct.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by suprfast View Post
    and as my disclaimer, not to be a dick, if you fail to follow what many of the experts here lay out as guidelines most of us will not care. If you follow and need help odds are we will do so willingly.

    Lastly, the thread of threads. Failure to read this one means you are not ready.
    Lots of pages but Heavy really is knowledgeable.

    http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...cycle-pct.html

    First of all, my diet is on point. I weigh my shit out on a scale and log everything on myfitnesspal. Secondly, did you even read my post? Obviously I am not sparing expense on my post cycle. From all the PCT and First Cycle threads I have read, what I posted is an optimal cycle and post cycle protocol. The reason for my post is that I have not seen this exact cycle posted anywhere, and wanted to get a veterans experience before I did anything. Hence the reason I am here on this forum and not in my basement jabbing myself with a needle saying fuck it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tysdon View Post
    First of all, my diet is on point. I weigh my shit out on a scale and log everything on myfitnesspal. Secondly, did you even read my post? Obviously I am not sparing expense on my post cycle. From all the PCT and First Cycle threads I have read, what I posted is an optimal cycle and post cycle protocol. The reason for my post is that I have not seen this exact cycle posted anywhere, and wanted to get a veterans experience before I did anything. Hence the reason I am here on this forum and not in my basement jabbing myself with a needle saying fuck it
    Since you twisted my arm.

    Cycle looks good for a beginner. I appreciate that you didnt try to throw everything under the sun into your first cycle. Clomid is better suited for PCT then nolva and have enough aromasin on hand just in case. 12.5mg eod is probably stretching it. 12.5mg ed or 25mg eod is usually a better fit but you need to adjust accordingly. The nolva is good to have on hand in case gyno flares up. Aside from HCG which many people swear by seems like you are looking pretty good.

    Now saying your diet is on point is arbitrary if you dont post up what your diet really looks like. You dont have to do that here, but if you think you are on point then cool. You can get some nice gains from your first cycle.
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    A little young but I'm not going to judge. I did my first at 22. He seems like he has all of his shit lined out more than most other people no matter what their age. He seems to have done his research and has some standard questions. I will answer them for you bro.

    I think that your test schedule/dose looks perfect. 500 will be a good start and not too crazy for you. You could go out to 12 weeks if you wanted but i'd stop there.

    Aromasin needs to be taken every day because of the half life. Start at 12.5mg ED and adjust from there. Don't be afraid to go to 25mg or higher if needed.

    I think your time line is a little off. You need to wait 2 weeks after your last shot of test to start PCT for 500mg of test E/C. If you do a 10 week cycle, 1-10 will be "On". Take 11 and 12 off and start PCT on 13 and run for 4 weeks. Clomid is recommended over nolva in a regimen like this: 100/100/75/50. Take aromasin on PCT like this: 25/25/12.5/12.5

    I would look into taking an oral at the begining to kickstart the cycle. If not you might be waiting 3-5 weeks for the test to fully take hold. I would suggest Dbol around 30-40mg ED for 4 weeks.

    Also think about using some HCG on cycle. Recommended dose is 250-500iu 2x per week. Then you would want to continue this until a few days before you start PCT. It doesn't hurt to blast a little HCG while the ester clears (your two week off period) at a higher dose right before PCT. 1000iu will work here. If you decide to do this you need some slin pins, bac water and a couple sterile vials.

    Good luck bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SloppyJ View Post
    A little young but I'm not going to judge. I did my first at 22. He seems like he has all of his shit lined out more than most other people no matter what their age. He seems to have done his research and has some standard questions. I will answer them for you bro.

    I think that your test schedule/dose looks perfect. 500 will be a good start and not too crazy for you. You could go out to 12 weeks if you wanted but i'd stop there.

    Aromasin needs to be taken every day because of the half life. Start at 12.5mg ED and adjust from there. Don't be afraid to go to 25mg or higher if needed.

    I think your time line is a little off. You need to wait 2 weeks after your last shot of test to start PCT for 500mg of test E/C. If you do a 10 week cycle, 1-10 will be "On". Take 11 and 12 off and start PCT on 13 and run for 4 weeks. Clomid is recommended over nolva in a regimen like this: 100/100/75/50. Take aromasin on PCT like this: 25/25/12.5/12.5

    I would look into taking an oral at the begining to kickstart the cycle. If not you might be waiting 3-5 weeks for the test to fully take hold. I would suggest Dbol around 30-40mg ED for 4 weeks.

    Also think about using some HCG on cycle. Recommended dose is 250-500iu 2x per week. Then you would want to continue this until a few days before you start PCT. It doesn't hurt to blast a little HCG while the ester clears (your two week off period) at a higher dose right before PCT. 1000iu will work here. If you decide to do this you need some slin pins, bac water and a couple sterile vials.

    Good luck bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suprfast View Post
    Since you twisted my arm.

    Cycle looks good for a beginner. I appreciate that you didnt try to throw everything under the sun into your first cycle. Clomid is better suited for PCT then nolva and have enough aromasin on hand just in case. 12.5mg eod is probably stretching it. 12.5mg ed or 25mg eod is usually a better fit but you need to adjust accordingly. The nolva is good to have on hand in case gyno flares up. Aside from HCG which many people swear by seems like you are looking pretty good.

    Now saying your diet is on point is arbitrary if you dont post up what your diet really looks like. You dont have to do that here, but if you think you are on point then cool. You can get some nice gains from your first cycle.

    Thank you. I decided to put nolva instead of clomid because I've heard that clomid can be harsh (side effects wise) and is a strong SERM. Because of my choice to only use Test E, clomid might be overkill. Also nolva doesnt interact with Aromasin. Despite this, do you still suggest clomid?

    Obviously you wouldn't have said clomid if you didn't think I should use it, I just wanted to explain WHY I chose 1 over the other and if those might change your thoughts.

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    I like arimidex on cycle just because it's cheaper, but sloppy's protocol is about as solid as you're gonna find. If you do use a-dex on cycle you still must use aromasin for pct however.

    If you like the idea of an oral kickstart look into dbol or superdrol. Superdrol is very lean and won't bloat you at all, while putting on nice lbm pretty quickly. If you use dbol you may need some extra AI for this portion of the cycle (dbol aromatizes pretty heavily and can also convert to the potent methylestradiol). Clomid is superior for pct but nolva has been proven to be quite effective, if the side effects of clomid scare you then in my humble opinion nolva can definitely be substituted. Also since you aren't running any progestin related compounds 10-20mg nolva a day for a few days will stop any gyno in the off chance that you have that issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SloppyJ View Post
    A little young but I'm not going to judge. I did my first at 22. He seems like he has all of his shit lined out more than most other people no matter what their age. He seems to have done his research and has some standard questions. I will answer them for you bro.

    I think that your test schedule/dose looks perfect. 500 will be a good start and not too crazy for you. You could go out to 12 weeks if you wanted but i'd stop there.

    Aromasin needs to be taken every day because of the half life. Start at 12.5mg ED and adjust from there. Don't be afraid to go to 25mg or higher if needed.

    I think your time line is a little off. You need to wait 2 weeks after your last shot of test to start PCT for 500mg of test E/C. If you do a 10 week cycle, 1-10 will be "On". Take 11 and 12 off and start PCT on 13 and run for 4 weeks. Clomid is recommended over nolva in a regimen like this: 100/100/75/50. Take aromasin on PCT like this: 25/25/12.5/12.5

    I would look into taking an oral at the begining to kickstart the cycle. If not you might be waiting 3-5 weeks for the test to fully take hold. I would suggest Dbol around 30-40mg ED for 4 weeks.

    Also think about using some HCG on cycle. Recommended dose is 250-500iu 2x per week. Then you would want to continue this until a few days before you start PCT. It doesn't hurt to blast a little HCG while the ester clears (your two week off period) at a higher dose right before PCT. 1000iu will work here. If you decide to do this you need some slin pins, bac water and a couple sterile vials.

    Good luck bro.
    Thank you very much for the insight. I posted my last response before the page refreshed and I saw this one. Clomid it is then I suppose. Just so I'm 100% clear the dosages you gave for PCT is ED correct?

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