DES isn't good for injury as its life is only minutes unlike LR3 life is 20-30 minutes.Iv tried this myself and LR3 was king for this.
DES for injuries or IGF LR3?
Anyone have experience with this?
Yep. LR3 is where it's at.
^^^ sure is.. didn't even notice that.
since lr3 active life span is 20-30 hrs, does that mean once per day protocal? is there another pep that has a synergistic properties when run in conjunction with lr3 ?
There are nice cycle layouts that leave us open to options.. Here's my favorite,
IGF Des Pre-workout
MGF post workout
wait 15 - 20 mins. pin ghrp/ghrh combo
15-20 minutes pin IGF lr3
Peg MGF on your off days.
If you want to run just one compound, I highly suggest IGF-1 LR3. If you want to do something that does not require the use of carbs after injection like LR3 does, I suggest a combo of CJC-1295/Ipa or GHRP-2/Ipamorelin. I did the former and I did get some nice relief. Another option my rat is currently getting amazing results from is TB-500, it is once a week.
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Thank you Pittsburgh63 and oufinny, that helps me narrow my reading to a more specific group of peptides.
Happy to help brother.. don't hesitate if you need any questions answered down the road.
I think the regular MGF would be a waste for healing an injury other than muscular in nature. The circulation in the white connective tissue is too low for it to actually receive much of it and instead it would be absorbed by damaged muscle tissue instead. However the Peg MGF would be great for injury recovery, and probably more so than IGF-1 Lr3, since MGF is specifically meant to heal and repair damaged tissue. However the 2 of them combined is one hell of a good combination for both healing and growth.
The TB500 is also supposed to be really good and I know Houston said his elbow has improved even more since he has been on it. Doses are up in the air here. Some say do 10mg week one and 5mg for the next 5 weeks then you find others who do well off of 6 weeks at 2g per week. There is a small amount of anabolism and some elevated fat burning to be experienced as well but it is a secondary effect.
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Heres the correct answer to your question..... the above advice is wrong
TGF-ß during inflammatory phase of the injury, and then DES for tendon repair and growth as it has shown to have the highest ability of collagen synthesis out of the 10 major growth factors that effect tendon repair after injury.
Last edited by TwisT; 03-21-2012 at 02:33 PM.
Thanks TwisT, I'm affraid when I'm done educating myself on healing specific peps my current injuries will be gtg. Oh well, education is priceless and I wont kid myself about being injury free forever, thanks again
I have first hand experience with EGF, Insulin, TGF, AR, and a few IGF's in rats. You can take my word for it
Last edited by TwisT; 03-21-2012 at 06:03 PM.
I can respect that.. I like how you slid that "slightly" in there. LOL. I like des for rehabing a particular problematic area.. but lately now that I'm becoming "middle aged" I prefer LR3. Helps nicely with my acute pains as well as those little aches that plague many of us from years of abusing our joints.
Where the hell have you been by the way?
Youre right, it was "slight". It wasn't by much, but it was enough to be significant and be shown pretty clearly in the data to be able to conclude superiority. Normally, in research if the said difference is small enough, it will normally not be concluded as any "better or worse".
I Like Lr3 too, but theres just too many cons for me. I like having more control.
I've been away and very busy working on some research, learning from some seriously brilliant people..makes me look like a toddler. But im trying to be more active around here... I've been slacking i know
Happy to have you back. Always great to have the opportunity to learn from brilliant minds. I try to leach off of them whenever I have the chance. LOL
spot injection concerns me, is it a must? or just better on a case by case basis? I have gone over it with my PT and his Anatomy books and it just looks like it would be better left to someone more qualified than myself, some tendons look like they would be less hassle than others but my biceps tendon will have to heal on its own, I'm just not that brave
Spot injections are necessary for Des.. for LR3 you can pin IM or Subq and it will distribute throughout.
Thank you Pittsburgh63
Very Welcome Riles.
LR3 should be cycled 4-5 weeks on, then the same off. Des can be run indefinitely when using it for Preworkout only.