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    Is igf-1 DES much better then igf1-LR3?

    Does one put more size on then the other?How about for pumps and fat burning effects?Iv seen where some do 80 mcgs pre workout is this true?

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    Lr3 is alot better then DES as lr3 is systematic for 20-30 hours as des is active for 10 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwisT View Post
    Is an apple better then a pear?
    TwisT nailed it - the difference in half life and structure makes for pretty big differences in results. In my experience, LR3 was better at keeping me lean while maintaining size due probably to the long-lasting nutrient shuttling actions of IGF1-LR3. Des, on the other hand was much more effective for site enhancement (still not an extreme change, but noticeable growth in muscles that were pinned), and gave me a more pronounced fullness than LR3. So to compare the two and try to find one that is "better" you need to have specific goals in mind

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    I never seen much with DES.other then for muscle pumps.Other then that I would use lr3 hands down.
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    Hey guys, my first post, although I've been researching various things on the forums before. Question about igf1 lr3, i read dat's forums , I'm taking ghrp2,cjc 1294 without dac and I have igf1 lr3. Goals are to build muscle, lose fat. I normally train an hour after I wake up. So, I was thinking pin with igf1 lr3 as soon as i wake up, train, take ghrp2 post workout with protein shake and high glycemic carbs. Then when I go to bed just take ghrp2 and cjc 1295 without dac. I would take 40- 50 mcg of igf1 lr3 into the muscle, split up the pinning(pin cushion I will be). Any suggestions would be appreciated from you guys. Thanks!

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    I meant cjc 1295! sory :/

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    Oh, and I was gonna take the igf1 lr3 for 4 weeks, but how long of a break do I need to take before going back on. From my understanding, it stops working after that time. And, how many hours away from the ghrp's do you have to keep them separated for efficient results?

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    GHRP2 should be taken with cjc postworkout and avoid carbs for 30mins. IGF lr3 preworkout as stated is fine. And most cycle it 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 137Boulder View Post
    Oh, and I was gonna take the igf1 lr3 for 4 weeks, but how long of a break do I need to take before going back on. From my understanding, it stops working after that time. And, how many hours away from the ghrp's do you have to keep them separated for efficient results?
    I would workout.. then wait 15-20 minutes to let your natty MGF levels peak. Then administer your GHRP/GHRH combo and wait another 15-20 minutes. Then administer your IGF lr3.

    4-5 on with equal time off is pretty standard for the IGF.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 137Boulder View Post
    Oh, and I was gonna take the igf1 lr3 for 4 weeks, but how long of a break do I need to take before going back on. From my understanding, it stops working after that time. And, how many hours away from the ghrp's do you have to keep them separated for efficient results?
    Wait 15 minutes in between each one
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    Quote Originally Posted by emitecaps View Post
    GHRP2 should be taken with cjc postworkout and avoid carbs for 30mins. IGF lr3 preworkout as stated is fine. And most cycle it 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off.
    If you take lr3 pre workout it will cancle mgf out .Wait 10 minutes in between each
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    How are you Lr3 users administering it? Subq or IM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teezhay View Post
    How are you Lr3 users administering it? Subq or IM?
    Subq for this guy.


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    Use both des and lr3 for best results.

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    Okay, Pittsburgh 63, so to clarify, you say workout, then wait 15 minutes roughly when the weight training is complete, take the ghrp's at this time, then wait another 15 minutes and take the igf1lr3. So, I will assume that carbs would be fine roughly 15 minutes after the igf1 lr3(in other words, 30 minutes roughly after the ghrp's are administered)? I plan on takin high glycemic carbs combined with my fast acting protein shake post workout also. I forgot to mention i'm using test enanthate and some deca, so I'm sure the results will be somewhat multiplied. Also, I am pinning bi laterally, however I'm not doing multiple pinning, I will just rotate the areas where I pin on the muscle.. Thanks AminoMan also for your suggestions. There's so much info on this site, it's overwhelming. Also, I do notice that the igf 1 makes me a little bit unusually hungry. Different then ghrp 6, but it's noticeable. Do any of you guys read datbtrue's posts? He's got a lot of interesting info, although a lot of it is a little over my head.

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    Looks like you got it down my friend. AAS will definitely work synergistically with the peps.


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    Thanks, Pittsburgh63! I appreciate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by 137Boulder View Post
    Thanks, Pittsburgh63! I appreciate it
    Anytime brother!! Feel free to PM if you ever have any other questions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 137Boulder View Post
    Okay, Pittsburgh 63, so to clarify, you say workout, then wait 15 minutes roughly when the weight training is complete, take the ghrp's at this time, then wait another 15 minutes and take the igf1lr3. So, I will assume that carbs would be fine roughly 15 minutes after the igf 1 lr3(in other words, 30 minutes roughly after the ghrp's are administered)? I plan on taking high glycemic carbs combined with my fast acting protein shake post workout also. I forgot to mention i'm using test enanthate and some deca, so I'm sure the results will be somewhat multiplied. Also, I am pinning bi laterally, however I'm not doing multiple pinning, I will just rotate the areas where I pin on the muscle.. Thanks AminoMan also for your suggestions. There's so much info on this site, it's overwhelming. Also, I do notice that the igf 1 makes me a little bit unusually hungry. Different then ghrp 6, but it's noticeable. Do any of you guys read datbtrue posts? He's got a lot of interesting info, although a lot of it is a little over my head.
    Don't wait much longer then 30-45 minutes to eat as this is the prime time to get your micro nutrition's in its the window that you will want food the most.Your body is starving for food to help heal and repair.
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    Do agree with everything aminoman said about IGF-1, did try both at much better results with the lr3 version,and longer active life means less pinning!!!
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    Lr3 may be better bang for buck but do you really want igf floating around for 30hrs attaching to ur intestines and pre cancer cells? Id rather des im if anything

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    Thanks for your help everybody! I've been taking the igf1 lr3 4 to 5 hours before bedtime, then at bedtime take ghrp2(I ran out of the cjc1295). And then when I wake up in the afternoon(note that I work midnight shift and rotate shifts etc..), I take my hgh 2 iu's for now(I just got some elitropin- never took hgh before-gonna do at least 6 months of it with aas and my igf1lr3). Anyways, I already notice a difference in recovery and my sleep is better. I have been getting stronger every workout- Not bad considering I have a sinus infection I have been fighting for over 2 weeks and I've been on antibiotics too.. Man, I need to start up a log on this. All I can say is that I'm pretty excited about this! It's gonna be strictly AAS,Igf1lr3, and Hgh and will add a little bit of insulin to the mix postworkout very soon. Everyone on here has been really helpful and I've just been reading a lot of the threads and I feel like I have a good grasp on this. This site is awesome!

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    You have to be very precise with your LR3 administration brother.. due to the long half life.. It will effect other pep administration in an adverse way if not done in the proper order. That being said.. the lr3 before you GHRP/GHRH combo is not ideal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LightBearer View Post
    Lr3 may be better bang for buck but do you really want igf floating around for 30hrs attaching to ur intestines and pre cancer cells? Id rather des im if anything

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    Take the lr3 last when using more then 1 peptide postworkout so everything will be smooth sailing.More so when using mgf post then shoot the combo then lr3.
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    I would workout.. then wait 15-20 minutes to let your natty MGF levels peak. Then administer your GHRP/GHRH combo and wait another 15-20 minutes. Then administer your IGF lr3.

    Hey, Pittsburgh63, I'll do it your way this time...but maybe I need a little bit more clarification on postworkout. Is it fine to take hgh about 45 minutes preworkout on empty stomach(no carbs, only aminos or whey protein), train, and then 30 minutes before completing workout(take ghrp2 or ghrp6 or whatever gh peptide), then you say: wait another 15 to 20 minutes to take the igf1lr3. Now, my question is with this strategy, when is the optimum time to take the carbs/protein combo. Note that as soon as I pick up some regular insulin I will add it to the mix for postworkout/near the end of workout.. What do you guys think? I'm new to the peptide/hgh. I have taken insulin before, just postworkout..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 137Boulder View Post
    I would workout.. then wait 15-20 minutes to let your natty MGF levels peak. Then administer your GHRP/GHRH combo and wait another 15-20 minutes. Then administer your IGF lr3.

    Hey, Pittsburgh63, I'll do it your way this time...but maybe I need a little bit more clarification on postworkout. Is it fine to take hgh about 45 minutes preworkout on empty stomach(no carbs, only aminos or whey protein), train, and then 30 minutes before completing workout(take ghrp2 or ghrp6 or whatever gh peptide), then you say: wait another 15 to 20 minutes to take the igf1lr3. Now, my question is with this strategy, when is the optimum time to take the carbs/protein combo. Note that as soon as I pick up some regular insulin I will add it to the mix for postworkout/near the end of workout.. What do you guys think? I'm new to the peptide/hgh. I have taken insulin before, just postworkout..

    I recommend everything be administered Post workout.. not pre or prior to finishing workout. Once you complete your workout.. your body is going to release MGF locally in the stressed muscles. This is the first stage/signal for repair. Wait 15-20 minutes post workout to allow MGF to peak, then administer your HGH. Give that 15-20 minutes, then administer your GHRP/GHRH combo, wait another 15-20 min and administer your LR3. Again.. give it 15 minutes then I would take your post workout shake.


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    Once you get the insulin.. I would administer pre workout.. and again post workout. From there you can taper up your dose and if you like.. add an additional administration later on post workout.


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