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The term TRT gets bandied about pretty liberally. I think most guys on "TRT" really don't need to be and use the term to justify always being on. Then after 2, 3, 4 years of this "TRT" they really do need TRT because they have fried their HPTA. It's sad really that today's cast of characters can't seem to come off the drugs and bear the mild discomfort of shrinking up a little.
according to studies, the hpta can recover even after years of aas use, it just takes a long time, especially when recovering drugs arent used.
That's part of the problem. They come off and if in 3 months they still feel off back on they go. Personally I had to go off for over a year back in the 80s before I recovered (deca days). I'm in my 50s and still recover. Last time in under 3 months. If you really look through the old footage of the golden era with Arnold and Franco, Zane, Lou, Draper, Pearl. All those guys used but they went off. Today most of them are in their late 60s or older and still healthy and sometimes pretty jacked. The guys that have problems a ways down the road are the ones who are addicted to the persona they have made for themselves that required that they are jacked. The ego becomes entangled with the drug life style. My advice is to come off periodically. Change gear a bit while off. Get into different kind of shape. Go running. Play in a soccer league. Learn to box or grapple and do it 3, 4, 5 months a year while you are off. Then when you're recovered and in great shape get back to it ready and insides all recovered for another round of growth.
This is a good question. If you truly do trt and maintain normal test levels, is there a reason to let your levels tank?
This is a good question. If you truly do trt and maintain normal test levels, is there a reason to let your levels tank?
Do you think its nessecary to come off true trt. Im on 150mg of test and hcg a week. My natty levels are 350 average.
This is a good question. If you truly do trt and maintain normal test levels, is there a reason to let your levels tank?
Why would a consistent test level of 800-1000 make you frail or depressed?
Keep an eye on your health markers (blood, BP heart rate). That's what tells you if you are OK. As it stands you are never in normal range most likely with your current protocol.I just do not see any reason for PCT since I am on TRT. My normal levels had dropped into the low one hundreds when I started TRT. I see no reason to do any kind of post cycle therapy and just keep using my adex, hcg, and tapper my test cyp back to only about 200-250mg a week. 200mg a week is my normal test cyp TRT treatment. I figure after cycle just do my normal TRT for two months or so and then cycle again. Any reasons on why I should not do this?
How was your natural level measured? Were you coming off of a series of cycles within the last 12 months? Were you obese at the time? Was their a lot of stress in your life at the time? Were you working out?
Do you think its nessecary to come off true trt. Im on 150mg of test and hcg a week. My natty levels are 350 average.
Got to go by bloodwork. Maybe OK to stay on forever but if your bloodwork/BP/EKG are off then off you go. 350 still in normal range. Test levels fluctuate. Rule of thumb is to only treat with TRT after 3 consecutive low readings.
"normal range" in this context might as well mean "shitty to less shitty to decent"
I'm on "legit" TRT. The kind where they never told me about HCG, AI's or that my fat built up from 20 years of sub 400 test. They won't even raise it above 200/eow despite me feeling like crap. They are not allowed to write for HCG or AI because the VA doesn't allow anything offlabel.Most guys don't have a clue how the endocrine system really works. Everybody holds up their last test reading like it's their dick length. Test levels fluctuate according to all sorts of stimuli. You can be in a soccer game and if your team wins your test level could go, for instance, from 600 to 750. If you loose it could go from 600 to 400. Single readings mean just about fuck all. That's why the rule is 3 consecutive low readings. WE are talking true TRT treatment here. Not some clinic in south Beach FLA.
As an aside, I think it's important to keep in mind that interests and goals change throughout life. It's not a bad idea to take steps so you can recover tather than juice hard and heavy for a decade without a break. TRT clinics are mostly a scam that pray on guys like us that cycle and feel like shit all when off for a couple months. Then they swoop in, do a quick lab test, find that you are low test ( big surprise) and boom you are on you 300-400 mg/w for years. Then try to recover.. lots harder and a possible patient for life. If you're not on legit TRT then do yourself a favor and come off for a good long while at least once a year.
Keep an eye on your health markers (blood, BP heart rate). That's what tells you if you are OK. As it stands you are never in normal range most likely with your current protocol.