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    Question Rookie First Time Stack - Super-Dmz Mass Stack w/ Formeron

    I know this is a long post for my first post but I hope some of
    the true vets out there can have a solid read through and support
    with some honest advice / feedback and let me know if I am on track
    with my "first time stack or cycle."

    I see most people are pretty general with their posts and I figured
    if I give full disclosure of everything so I can receive best feedback
    from those that take the time to read this.

    I thank you all in advance.

    I`ll start with some background info and then move into my first stack
    combo, followed by some additional questions.


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    Background....

    1) Age: 34
    2) Weight: 174 lbs
    3) Body Fat: 8.74%
    3) Years of Consistent Training experience: 1+
    4) Previous Cycle experience: "First timer" "None"

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    Training Routine:


    Train 6 Days a week (5x Workout split and 2-3x Cardio)

    Sample Current Scedule

    Mondays: Shoulders and HITT Training n Abs
    Tuesdays: Bi's n Tri's
    Wednesdays: Legs and 20 min HITT Training n Abs
    Thursdays: Back n Bi's
    Fridays: Chest n Abs
    Saturday: HITT Training
    Sunday: Rest Days

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    Diet: 40-40-20 (Protein-Carbs-Fats)

    I eat lean and train mean. I think I've had a cheat
    meal twice in the last 4 months. I've mastered clean
    eating and learned to love eating great tasting healthy
    foods daily so the needs to cheat is no longer an issue
    for me.

    I track everything I eat with LoseIt app on my iPhone.
    I weight and measure everything that goes into my body
    so I can adjust when results come to a halt.

    Some days I wll eat 50-30-20 ratio if only doing cardio.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    Daily Average Nutrition Schedule: Currently 2600 calories (deficit)

    Breakfast

    Pre-Workout Meal
    5g of Glutamine
    5g of Creatine
    5g of Leucine
    5g of Arginine
    Pre-workout Shake

    Workout 45-55 min max

    Post Workout Meal
    10g of Glutamine
    5g of Creatine
    5g of Leucine
    Post Workout Shake

    Lunch + 5g of Glutamine

    Dinner + 5g of Glutamine

    Snack

    Night time
    Caesin Shake
    5g of Arginine
    5g of Glutamine

    Water: I drink like a fish daily, 1 1/2 - 2 gallons
    daily.


    Right now still eating at a slight calorie deficiet till
    I reach 5-6% bodyfat. I know if I do this stack I would
    be bumping up the calories over 3K to add the mass during
    cycle.

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    Body and Body Fat Measurements:


    These are done every Sunday as soon as the wife and I
    wake up we do our weekly body and body fat measurements
    and track. This way we can see when we need to rise or
    lower calories based on weekly progress.

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    My Ideal Goal for Stack:

    So I've been doing a lot of research. This site honestly
    rocks. It took many hours of reading to catch up and
    educate myself on how to start my first cycle.

    I've been training natural my entire life. My goal is NOT
    to pack on heaps of LMM but add some respectable size that
    I hope I can maintain after my gains.

    As you seen above I am currently 174 lbs at the time of this
    entry and 8.74% body fat. I am getting close to my goal of
    5-6% I've been aiming for.

    I would honestly love to be around 185 lbs and 5-6% body fat
    and maintain that. So as said not looking to turn into a
    freak (yet... who knows this stuff could be like getting
    your first tattoo... then you want another and so on).

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    My Stack Based on Research here:

    So this may be a bit overkill to my goals listed above but
    I will let you veterinarians help guide me if I have steered
    in wrong direction.

    I've always been one to research anything before trying things
    out. So hopefully what I have come up with is smart for first
    cycle.

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    Super-Dmz Mass Stack w/ Formeron:

    Super-DMZ Rx - 1 bottle
    Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 1 bottle
    Ultra Male Rx - 1 bottle
    Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 1 bottle
    E-Control Rx - 1 bottle
    Black Lion Research Formeron- 1 120mL bottle (or two if need it)

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    FIRST 4 WEEKS:
    Super-DMZ Rx Rx - 2 caps daily (1 cap AM / 1 cap PM)
    Ultra Male Rx - 1 cap daily
    Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food
    Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 2 caps daily
    Black Lion Research Formeron - 1 pump daily (1-2ml) apply after a shower for best results

    Creatine 5g x 2 daily
    Glutamine 5g x 3 and 10g x 1 daily
    Leucine 5g x 2 daily
    Arginine 5g x 2 daily
    Multi-Vitamin 1x Daily
    Vitamin C 2-3g Daily
    Calcium 2-3g Daily
    Potassium - Unsure daily required amount 1 tsp (3.48g) 3-4 x daily? Required first four weeks?
    Taurine - AllMax 3g x 3 daily? Breakfast / 30 Min prior to workouts / Dinner

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    LAST 4 WEEKS:
    Ultra Male Rx - 1 cap daily
    Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food
    Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 2 caps daily
    E-Control Rx - 3 caps daily (last 3 weeks)
    Clomid 100mg ED first week, 75mg/50/50
    Black Lion Research Formeron - 1-2 (1-2ml) pumps per day transdermally apply after a shower for best results

    Creatine 5g x 2 daily
    Glutamine 5g x 3 and 10g x 1 daily
    Leucine 5g x 2 daily
    Arginine 5g x 2 daily
    Multi-Vitamin 1x daily
    Vitamin C 2-3g Daily
    Calcium 2-3g Daily
    Potassium - Unsure daily required amount 1 tsp (3.48g) 3-4 x daily?
    Taurine - AllMax 3g daily? 30 Min prior to workouts
    Allmax Pro-Competition Series Liver D-Tox (21 Day Supply) contain 380 mg Milk Thistle as well
    Also read Liv52 is good for liver support

    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    Your Insights on Stack:

    So after my hours of researching and reading this is the stack
    I have come up with. Please review and advise what you guys
    think. Again this will be my first time trying this and not
    looking to sick gains of 25-30 lbs of lean muscle mass but from
    what I have read about other using similar stack it has that
    ability to do so.

    My main goal at the end of stack and long after PCT would be
    maintain an ideal weight around 185 lbs and 5-6% with great
    definition and strength.

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    Questions:

    1) I am NOT a fan of using needles and you will see I have not
    added any Test or HCG to the above. If I choose to not use
    one, is there an alternative to these and using needles or
    two, okay to not incorporate at all with lil sides effects to
    this stack?

    2) How does my PCT look? I am okay with honesty guys. I am
    noob here and want to make the right decisions and purchase
    everything when I KNOW I am moving in the right direction.

    3) Another question in mind with doing a cycle like this. How
    long after would it be safe to try to "conceive" if one wants
    to have a baby down the road still? Or better yet can you
    still have one after doing this stuff?

    4) The way this stack is laid out will this help with suppression?
    How long does suppression last will doing cycle like this?

    5) What else might I be missing from this stack? I think I've
    covered everything off but that is why I've taken the time to
    write this long post to make sure I do this RIGHT first time
    around unlike people that rush in and make mistakes.

    6) Ance: Will taking 6-9g of Taurine help prevent acne or backne?
    Should I also add in any other supps to assist with acne prevention?

    7) AI Support: I've read great things about using Black Lion
    Research Formeron. I know it great for helping to tighten or
    taper everything down and even helps with gyno bit. Should I
    stock anything else in case of gyno or like Nova? It seems from
    what I've read that this is much safer and better results. You
    guys would know this best?

    8) Would be be my ideal LBM I should shoot for if I would like
    to maintain around 185 and 5-6% BF. I don`t know how much
    I can maintain after since I have never done this before.
    I do train hard and lots of intensity. Always use strick form
    (no swinging weights, slow and controlled movements).


    Again sorry if too long a post but I wanna do this right when I am
    ready to start. Thank you for taking the time to read and add your
    input. It is much appreciated.

    JohnyB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnyb View Post
    1) I am NOT a fan of using needles and you will see I have not
    added any Test or HCG to the above. If I choose to not use
    one, is there an alternative to these and using needles or
    two, okay to not incorporate at all with lil sides effects to
    this stack?

    2) How does my PCT look? I am okay with honesty guys. I am
    noob here and want to make the right decisions and purchase
    everything when I KNOW I am moving in the right direction.

    3) Another question in mind with doing a cycle like this. How
    long after would it be safe to try to "conceive" if one wants
    to have a baby down the road still? Or better yet can you
    still have one after doing this stuff?

    4) The way this stack is laid out will this help with suppression?
    How long does suppression last will doing cycle like this?

    5) What else might I be missing from this stack? I think I've
    covered everything off but that is why I've taken the time to
    write this long post to make sure I do this RIGHT first time
    around unlike people that rush in and make mistakes.

    6) Ance: Will taking 6-9g of Taurine help prevent acne or backne?
    Should I also add in any other supps to assist with acne prevention?

    7) AI Support: I've read great things about using Black Lion
    Research Formeron. I know it great for helping to tighten or
    taper everything down and even helps with gyno bit. Should I
    stock anything else in case of gyno or like Nova? It seems from
    what I've read that this is much safer and better results. You
    guys would know this best?

    8) Would be be my ideal LBM I should shoot for if I would like
    to maintain around 185 and 5-6% BF. I don`t know how much
    I can maintain after since I have never done this before.
    I do train hard and lots of intensity. Always use strick form
    (no swinging weights, slow and controlled movements).


    Again sorry if too long a post but I wanna do this right when I am
    ready to start. Thank you for taking the time to read and add your
    input. It is much appreciated.

    JohnyB
    1) there is no sub for needles. honestly it's not that bad. Im not a fan of oral only cycles, I think test should be included in all cycles. with that being said, your oral cycle looks good

    2) pct looks good. may be a little overkill but better safe than sorry.

    3) I'll leave this one to guys that have kids

    4) everybody is different on how they recover. only bloodwork can tell you for sure

    5) looks ok

    6) if you are getting formerone from blr, look into acnedren from them. I use it and it's great.

    7) gyno isn't a big concern with sdmz but you can stock some nolva just in case.

    8) Im not sure if I get your question. How do you measure your bf%? also what is your height?


    props for doing research.

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    I'll be really interested to see what some more experienced users say about this, because I'm interested in Super-DMZ as well (with a strong test foundation of course).

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    also you dont need e control if you run formerone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post
    also you dont need e control if you run formerone.

    Thank you Vibrant... I noticed this stack without the e-Control and didn`t realize Formerone would replace entirely.

    Johny B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnyb View Post

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    LAST 4 WEEKS:
    Ultra Male Rx - 1 cap daily
    Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food
    Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 2 caps daily
    E-Control Rx - 3 caps daily (last 3 weeks)
    Clomid 100mg ED first week, 75mg/50/50
    Black Lion Research Formeron - 1-2 (1-2ml) pumps per day transdermally apply after a shower for best results

    Creatine 5g x 2 daily
    Glutamine 5g x 3 and 10g x 1 daily
    Leucine 5g x 2 daily
    Arginine 5g x 2 daily
    Multi-Vitamin 1x daily
    Vitamin C 2-3g Daily
    Calcium 2-3g Daily
    Potassium - Unsure daily required amount 1 tsp (3.48g) 3-4 x daily?
    Taurine - AllMax 3g daily? 30 Min prior to workouts
    Allmax Pro-Competition Series Liver D-Tox (21 Day Supply) contain 380 mg Milk Thistle as well
    Also read Liv52 is good for liver support

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    JohnyB
    I forgot to highlight or ask... Between both Liver products listed here which one
    would you guys think is best to run with?

    Thanks Johny B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post
    1) there is no sub for needles. honestly it's not that bad. Im not a fan of oral only cycles, I think test should be included in all cycles. with that being said, your oral cycle looks good

    2) pct looks good. may be a little overkill but better safe than sorry.

    3) I'll leave this one to guys that have kids

    4) everybody is different on how they recover. only bloodwork can tell you for sure

    5) looks ok

    6) if you are getting formerone from blr, look into acnedren from them. I use it and it's great.

    7) gyno isn't a big concern with sdmz but you can stock some nolva just in case.

    8) Im not sure if I get your question. How do you measure your bf%? also what is your height?


    props for doing research.
    Thank you for the quick reply last night. Can you or anyone advise what "sides" if any may
    occur if no Test is used for this cycle?

    Re: My height 5'11"

    Re: Bodyfat measurements. We have our own set of highend calipers and do 9 BF site
    measurement method. Also once every 4-6 weeks go to clinic official testing to see
    how close they are to our numbers. It is always very close to our own methods. Just
    best to do weekly at home so we can mod calorie intake when you start to see patterns
    or plateaus.

    Thanks for the compz on doing the research for everything first. That`s the way I roll.
    wouldn't want to do something that will cause more damage to body by making bad
    judgements that could have easily been avoided

    Thanks again Vibrant...

    Any others feel like chiming in with their expertise as well?

    Johny B

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    If you're running DMZ you need a serm for PCT, nothing in that stack is strong enough for superdrol, maybe some of those other puss PH's but DMZ is strong chit mang.

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    Hmmmm... I thought I was all covered. I'll do some more research on SERM's to see which one to used and dosage. I assume I only run that last 4 weeks?

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    Clomid 100/100/50/50
    or
    Nolva 20/20/10/10

    Clomid optimally

    & trust me brother, if you're using AAS then you will most definitely need a SERM for PCT in EVERY CYCLE. I can guarantee you all the vets will give you the same advice.

    Some may say those doses may be overkill for just a 4 week PH cycle BUT I think it's better to be safe than sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msumuscle View Post
    Clomid 100/100/50/50
    or
    Nolva 20/20/10/10

    Clomid optimally

    & trust me brother, if you're using AAS then you will most definitely need a SERM for PCT in EVERY CYCLE. I can guarantee you all the vets will give you the same advice.

    Some may say those doses may be overkill for just a 4 week PH cycle BUT I think it's better to be safe than sorry.
    read his post. he already has clomid planned in his pct.

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    Oh, damn! Sorry brotha, forget my last post about the SERM. I didn't even notice you already had clomid in there. All your bases are covered!

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    Can anyone advise what the results will be without adding TEST?

    Would there be any addition sides for not adding?

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    No prob @msumuscle

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