msumuscle
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Does anybody believe in permanent sterility from AAS? I'd just like to hear different opinions & experiences from people who blast and cruise, good or bad.
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Standard Donkey
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msumuscle
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LOL I know I basically beat the hell out of this topic, I just want to make sure I know what I'm getting into before I start cruising since I'm only 22.
P.S I love you too sweetheart
P.S I love you too sweetheart
Digitalash
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Started cruising @ 22 here
msumuscle
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Trust me, the only thing that's holding me back is the potential for having trouble makin babies later on down the road
Digitalash
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have your swimmers frozen, or just stay on hcg ?
msumuscle
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I know, I'm looking for info on HCG being run year round at low doses and whether or not long term use at low doses causes leydig cell desensitization.
Digitalash
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I believe some HRT clinics have been using that protocol for years with no problems, and I've heard of a fair number of gear users who stay on hcg year round and have decent sperm counts
Worst comes to worst your sperm count might end up quite low without hcg or if you did become desensitized but I think it's rare for it to be actually zero. It's not ideal of course but they could still take what you have and do in vitro fertilization
Worst comes to worst your sperm count might end up quite low without hcg or if you did become desensitized but I think it's rare for it to be actually zero. It's not ideal of course but they could still take what you have and do in vitro fertilization
you asked for my opinion, ill give you an honest one, im 45 yrs old look at some of my threads, im sterile from steroids, and after 7 months of serious pct, im still sterile w/ a zero sperm count, my wife is cursing me she's 38 and wants a kid and all i hear is thats all i ask from you and you cant do it for me, sometimes it bothers me too, i ran test for about 18 months and im having serious fertility problems.
do i think you should blast and cruise at 22, no i dont, some day you may be married and your wife might ask for children, what are you gonna tell her ?? i wanted to look good and shut my system down, it really is not worth losing your manhood, cause thats how i feel.
you got a whole life ahead of you, and you have plenty of cycles still ta do, but you really should put your health first, i hope i didnt insult you in anyway, i was being honest, i almost died last year from liver failure, and laying there dying, my wife asked me, why ?? why did you do this to yourself, i wanted to share that with you, thats the reality about steroids, theres a time and place for them when used properly.
i personaly started juiceing it up early thirties, you are your own man, you gotta make that decision, then you gotta live with those consequences.
good luck 2u.
bones
edited, these guys just hit it on the nail, there are options, hcg ran w/ it, or invitro, theres always alternatives, just remember, your gonna live with the outcome
do i think you should blast and cruise at 22, no i dont, some day you may be married and your wife might ask for children, what are you gonna tell her ?? i wanted to look good and shut my system down, it really is not worth losing your manhood, cause thats how i feel.
you got a whole life ahead of you, and you have plenty of cycles still ta do, but you really should put your health first, i hope i didnt insult you in anyway, i was being honest, i almost died last year from liver failure, and laying there dying, my wife asked me, why ?? why did you do this to yourself, i wanted to share that with you, thats the reality about steroids, theres a time and place for them when used properly.
i personaly started juiceing it up early thirties, you are your own man, you gotta make that decision, then you gotta live with those consequences.
good luck 2u.
bones
edited, these guys just hit it on the nail, there are options, hcg ran w/ it, or invitro, theres always alternatives, just remember, your gonna live with the outcome
My only concern would be desensitization over time to HCG, but I don't know that that's ever been proven to be anything more than speculative bunk science. I guarantee Heavyiron would be able to offer some really solid input here, he's a walking, lifting, protein-synthesizing encyclopedia on this sort of stuff.
Digitalash
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I heard heavyiron went catabolic once, just to see what it felt like
msumuscle
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No offense taken whatsoever bones, this is why I started this thread and was looking for different experiences from different users. Have you gone and seen a doc about your infertility and also have you tried HCG or HMG? Liver failure is serious brother and I'm glad you make it through that, you're very lucky. Did you run a lot of orals in your day? I appreciate your honest opinion sir!
Most of the guys from the 80s I new back then that juiced have kids even the ones that were nuts with doses and duration. Arnold has kids. Lou has kids. I think Mattarazzo has a kid. Jimmy Quinn has a kid. It was tough for him though.
P.S. I think I'm suppose to be already dead let alone sterile..
P.S. I think I'm suppose to be already dead let alone sterile..
msumuscle
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.I PM'ed Heavy about this and he said that it's very unlikely for permanent sterilization to occur from AAS. I want a concrete answer but I know that it's not really possible to get one
Digitalash
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exactly big ron has kids and you know that guys been on everything for yearsss, not saying sterility can't happen but I think it's rare if some precautions are taken. Also really just get your shit frozen tomorrow and you'll never have to worry.
heckler7
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You could have a low sperm count or be sterile now. The only way you can be sure is to get tested before use
msumuscle
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This is true! What's crazy is I hear most of these guys aren't even on TRT after being on heavy doses for so long. That makes me happy!
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Digitalash
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I really doubt that's true to be honest, they may say that but it's probably just to look good to the unaware public. Most never come off until they retire and then I'd bet they are on trt
msumuscle
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Why is it that everything that's good in life has to have a fuarkin price? WHY!!!!! TELL ME WHY!!!!!!!!
heckler7
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moderation is the key
Arnold can't quit having kids. He's decades removed from contests, but his sperm cells are still alpha.
Standard Donkey
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I question whether or not the people in this thread who are "sterile" underwent clomid/hmg/hcg/trip therapy.
Standard Donkey
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Digitalash
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I believe bones has tried just about everything except trip and HMG, sperm count of ZERO almost doesn't make sense to me lol
yea ive been spending alot on pct, its getting relentless, i go back in 3 weeks, and yes i tried triperellen twice. guys im still on hcg, clomid and nolvadex. im defanitly getting hmg, i hear good things about it, (promissing). the guy that posted this is 22 and he is having trouble rebounding, im 45, and had a 18 month run so only time will tell.
i ask was it worth it, i lost most my gains anyway, and i started playing with peptides, but could not afford both, i spent my cycle on this pct. yea it does suck.
im going nuts, i want to jump back on, but gotta see this threw. i have 4 more weeks left on hcg, 500iu every other day, and the clomid + nolvadex, ill keep ya posted when my next test comes back, and thank you guys, ive seen all your names b4, and received lots of good info and support from alot of you, thanxs.
bones,
