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    trt dosages and hairloss questions?

    I need help understanding the concept of hair loss for TRT, if you replace your natural test with a TRT dose that puts you in a range normal for your age, then why do you loose hair a lot more quickly then if you naturally produced the same level of test?

    I am also 20 and want to get to a normal range of 700 to 900ng/dl. Would i need to be prescribed a higher dose then 100mg to achieve this?
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    because if you naturally produce 500ng/dl and you are losing hair and you increase your test to let's say 800ng/dl you have more test in your system to be converted via 5ar to DHT. DHT is what causes your hair to thin. So your hair will fall out faster.

    Anyway what are your test levels? BTW 700-900 is not normal. Everyone has different levels. 500-900 is normal for a healthy young male.

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    518.76ng/dl, I know this is not clinically low but i have reached the point were i sacrifice everything based on the gym to achieve results that won't show that i decided to get a testosterone test done. I count calories, macros and have a great diet, ie red meat, complex carbs veg and supp great etc. Have tried many different forms of training, i can get stronger but not bigger

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    Quote Originally Posted by BP2000 View Post
    because if you naturally produce 500ng/dl and you are losing hair and you increase your test to let's say 800ng/dl you have more test in your system to be converted via 5ar to DHT. DHT is what causes your hair to thin. So your hair will fall out faster.
    From what i have read most people who have the gene to go bald start noticing changes within a year of TRT, so I am not sure injecting yourself with synthetic testosterone vastly increases the rate due to the fact it is synthetic rather then natural produced test, if you understand what i mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream View Post
    From what i have read most people who have the gene to go bald start noticing changes within a year of TRT, so I am not sure injecting yourself with synthetic testosterone vastly increases the rate due to the fact it is synthetic rather then natural produced test, if you understand what i mean?
    Nah mate synthetic test is recognized the same in the body. You have normal level's of testosterone. Post up your diet that you have been eating along with your macros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BP2000 View Post
    Nah mate synthetic test is recognized the same in the body. You have normal level's of testosterone
    You also say i have normal levels, but are my levels not equivalent to a 40 year old males?

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    I was always impressed with Dorian Yates a Jay cutlers hair with the amount of stuff they run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtbiker666 View Post
    I was always impressed with Dorian Yates a Jay cutlers hair with the amount of stuff they run.
    yeah well lucky for them there were never genetically meant to go bald in the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream View Post
    518.76ng/dl, I know this is not clinically low but i have reached the point were i sacrifice everything based on the gym to achieve results that won't show that i decided to get a testosterone test done. I count calories, macros and have a great diet, ie red meat, complex carbs veg and supp great etc. Have tried many different forms of training, i can get stronger but not bigger
    as far as trt and hairloss go BP is right about the dht. you also have to realize that if your loosing your hair due to dht there is a good chance you where going to loose your hair anyways. try taking 1.25 proscar ed it worked wonders for me. make sure you read up on the sides it may cause

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream View Post
    You also say i have normal levels, but are my levels not equivalent to a 40 year old males?
    your levels seem a bit low for your age. i still think you can make a go at it with out the test though. post in the diet and workout sections and see what some of those guys tell ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocker44 View Post
    as far as trt and hairloss go BP is right about the dht. you also have to realize that if your loosing your hair due to dht there is a good chance you where going to loose your hair anyways. try taking 1.25 proscar ed it worked wonders for me. make sure you read up on the sides it may cause
    did you notice less gains and did you feel generally more lethargic when on proscar, have heard dht is still an important hormone... another problem is I have gyno from puberty so propecia will increase estrogen, especially if i take HCG along with it, would it be recommended to have 0.25 grams of arimdex everyday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocker44 View Post
    your levels seem a bit low for your age. i still think you can make a go at it with out the test though. post in the diet and workout sections and see what some of those guys tell ya
    Thats the problem I have been trying to have a go at it for 3 years, it has not worked out for me, my diet is pretty darn good and have used welll known programs such as 5x5 along with countless other without success...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream View Post
    did you notice less gains and did you feel generally more lethargic when on proscar, have heard dht is still an important hormone... another problem is I have gyno from puberty so propecia will increase estrogen, especially if i take HCG along with it, would it be recommended to have 0.25 grams of arimdex everyday?
    i dont think we are on the same page here lol. im on trt so i feel some what normal, not to gain size or strength, i leave that for cycling

    as far as dht goes it might lessen some of your gains but you have to weigh your options, gain 10lbs and still have your hair line or gain 15lbs and have no hair

    if you are predisposed to gyno i would take some kind of ai, adex .25 eod or .5 eod

    i hope you have looked into all of the long term side effects or trt befor you decide to do it. good luck

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    Im not even going to begin scolding you although I should.


    I will offer a solution however, Formeron will reduce estrogen and increase natural test.
    Formeron is also a 5-ar inhibitor so itll reduce DHT and therefore DHT side effects.
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