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    Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law

    The Supreme Court upheld President Obama's health care law today in a splintered, complex opinion that gives Obama a major election-year victory.

    Basically. the justices said that the individual mandate -- the requirement that most Americans buy health insurance or pay a fine -- is constitutional as a tax.

    Chief Justice John Roberts -- a conservative appointed by President George W. Bush -- provided the key vote to preserve the landmark health care law, which figures to be a major issue in Obama's re-election bid against Republican opponent Mitt Romney.

    The government had argued that Congress had the authority to pass the individual mandate as part of its power to regulate interstate commerce; the court disagreed with that analysis, but preserved the mandate because the fine amounts to a tax that is within Congress' constitutional taxing powers.

    The announcement will have a major impact on the nation's health care system, the actions of both federal and state governments, and the course of the November presidential and congressional elections.

    A key question for the high court: The law's individual mandate, the requirement that nearly all Americans buy health insurance, or pay a penalty.

    Critics call the requirement an unconstitutional overreach by Congress and the Obama administration; supporters say it is necessary to finance the health care plan, and well within the government's powers under the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

    While the individual mandate remained 18 months away from implementation, many other provisions already have gone into effect, such as free wellness exams for seniors and allowing children up to age 26 to remain on their parents' health insurance policies. Some of those provisions are likely to be retained by some insurance companies.

    Other impacts will sort themselves out, once the court rules:

    -- Health care millions of Americans will be affected ? coverage for some, premiums for others. Doctors, hospitals, drug makers, insurers, and employers large and small all will feel the impact.

    -- States -- some of which have moved ahead with the health care overhaul while others have held back -- now have decisions to make. A deeply divided Congress could decide to re-enter the debate with legislation.

    -- The presidential race between Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney is sure to feel the repercussions. Obama's health care law has proven to be slightly more unpopular than popular among Americans.

    Not since the court confirmed George W. Bush's election in December 2000 -- before 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq, Wall Street's dive and Obama's rise -- has one case carried such sweeping implications for nearly every American.

    Passed by Democrats along strictly partisan lines and still 18 months short of full implementation, the law is designed to extend health coverage to some 32 million uninsured people, ban insurers from discriminating against those with expensive ailments, and require nearly all Americans to buy insurance or pay penalties.

    Its passage on March 23, 2010, marked the culmination of an effort by Democrats to overhaul the nation's health care system that dates back to Harry Truman's presidency. The most recent effort by President Bill Clinton in 1994 fell victim to Republican opposition. Since then, lesser changes have been enacted, including creation of a separate Children's Health Insurance Program in the states.




    The bad news is most of you will eventually lose your employer health insurance and be on a government plan. Not to mention between insolvent Social Security, insolvent Medicare and insolvent Obamacare most of you younger guys and gals and those who aren't saving big will never be able to afford to retire.

    The short term good news is this will be excellent for independent, Republican and Tea Party turnout in November, so we should see one helluva shake up in DC politics come January of next year.

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    I think it is a good idea. The ER does not turn people away for not having insurance. They just sock it to people who acutally have insurance and pay thier bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jldam1tz View Post
    I think it is a good idea. The ER does not turn people away for not having insurance. They just sock it to people who acutally have insurance and pay thier bills.
    The ER isn't the only time people see a doctor. We already pay for those visits anyway.

    Now, a someone in the middle class, I get to have even more of my income taken from me and given to others.

    I hope Obama dies horribly.

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    Hopefully this is the first step to universal healthcare. The next step should be getting insurance companies out of healthcare. I dont know about everybody else but I dont want the decision left to a corporation weather I live or die because an insurance company does not want to pay for a procedure becausr they say its experimental. Thats what they use to do with bone marrow transplants, How many people died needlessly because insurance companies didn't wwant to pay for the costly procedure. Every country in the industrialized world has universal healthcare except for the US.

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    lol at John Roberts a bush appointee

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    This is a sad day for America. There is now NO limit to the power of the federal government. Effectively, this is the end of capitalism and federalism as we know it.

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    If they can't find money to pay for insurance how the fuck are they going find money to pay fines for not having insurance......really stupid ...IMO..

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    Meh, I'd rather pay $2k a year then what I'm paying now since I never go to the Doctor. I'm cool with this, but single payer would be better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secdrl View Post
    This is a sad day for America. There is now NO limit to the power of the federal government. Effectively, this is the end of capitalism and federalism as we know it.
    So, you were under the impression there was a limit to the power of the government? Of course there's not, you don't think if a few million people decided to exercise their right to rise up against the government as they are doing in the arab countries people wouldn't get shot at. You're freedom is an illusion you never possessed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    The ER isn't the only time people see a doctor. We already pay for those visits anyway.

    Now, a someone in the middle class, I get to have even more of my income taken from me and given to others.

    I hope Obama dies horribly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    Do you already pay into an insurance plan?
    For the people in myself and the people in my company, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    For the people in myself and the people in my company, yes.
    Why would you, as an employer, want to pay for an employees medical insurance? Wouldn't you want that to be taken care of by the individual? I don't think people are going to actually take a vested interest in their health until the cost for them to do so is significant enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    For the people in myself and the people in my company, yes.
    What you pay won't go up unless the insurance company and your employer raise what you already pay.

    What the healthcare law basically says is "If you don't already have a healthcare plan that you pay in to then you need to get one."
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