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I was thinking 3 or 4 days.3 days after last injection.
How do you get your estrogen down? Doesn't a high estrogen level signal your body to stop producing testosterone?I dont like an ai in pct.
I do not know how long it takes for elevated estrogen levels to decline on their own with no ai, so I cannot answer your question.How is your estrogen level high with virtually zero test to aromatize to estrogen?
Stopped tren and mast weeks ago, now just testosterone propionate and anavar. How many days do you wait from last test p to starting PCT?
Ok, I realize Dr. Scally recommends Nolva, but I am thinking that your assumption that there is no estrogen is wrong. There is a guy posting here in this forum right now about his recovery, and he has high estrogen with low testosterone. His second test, just posted recently, shows that his testosterone is increasing and estrogen has decreased. Heavyiron commented that less is aromatizing.Run ai up to pct ....there wil be no estrogen..there is no test o aromatize. It relies on negative feedback to force the body to produce test. A condition already present since there is no estrogen present. Plus with serms blocking e recptoer forcing production of GnRH which forces production of LH /FSH ..then test.he ai is totally unnecessary. Dr Scally - the foremost specialist on treating steroid induced andro pause (shutdown) has peer reviewed published studies and hundreds of case studies. He recommend clomid and novladex to be most effective. No ai
Ok, I realize Dr. Scally recommends Nolva, but I am thinking that your assumption that there is no estrogen is wrong. There is a guy posting here in this forum right now about his recovery, and he has high estrogen with low testosterone. His second test, just posted recently, shows that his testosterone is increasing and estrogen has decreased. Heavyiron commented that less is aromatizing.
I would think that reducing your estrogen would be beneficial to recovery, because, as you point out, it is this level of estrogen that tells the body how much test to produce. Low estrogen means more testosterone is produced. Wouldn't lowering it quicker and to a lower level get the body producing testosterone much more quickly, or is there something I am missing in thinking this through?
3 days after last injection.
I dont like an ai in pct.
When do I bottom out? I am now 11 days into PCT, and everything is good, libido is good, is the crash coming later?
Now more than two weeks in, and libido is normal (not on cycle normal).
I am beginning to hope no major crash is coming.
Well, last time around was a terrible recovery - libido issues for months. It was after a cycle that included Deca, though. My joints felt great! No more Deca. I will maybe try NPP in the future.Dont always believe what you read , everyone is different and recovers different. Not all "crash". Hopefully you are correct. Nice to follow your updates..not many "log" their pct ..I think its great.
Well, last time around was a terrible recovery - libido issues for months. It was after a cycle that included Deca, though. My joints felt great! No more Deca. I will maybe try NPP in the future.
I was at 117 last time around!even when my test levels are below 400
Well, last time around was a terrible recovery - libido issues for months. It was after a cycle that included Deca, though. My joints felt great! No more Deca. I will maybe try NPP in the future.
An Aromatase Inhibitor, in theory, is worthless with PCT. An AI does NOTHING for estro already present. It does inhihibit test conversion to estro. During PCT your test should be bottomed out so there's really nothing for the AI to do.
Run ai up to pct ....there wil be no estrogen..there is no test o aromatize. It relies on negative feedback to force the body to produce test. A condition already present since there is no estrogen present. Plus with serms blocking e recptoer forcing production of GnRH which forces production of LH /FSH ..then test.he ai is totally unnecessary. Dr Scally - the foremost specialist on treating steroid induced andro pause (shutdown) has peer reviewed published studies and hundreds of case studies. He recommend clomid and novladex to be most effective. No ai
Ok, in the absence of any advice from others, I am going to stop PCT now (4 weeks in). I think things will go well, but we'll see in a while.Nice to follow your updates..not many "log" their pct ..I think its great.
Ok, in the absence of any advice from others, I am going to stop PCT now (4 weeks in). I think things will go well, but we'll see in a while.
Your the best judge on your body and feeling brother. Sounds great, do you plan to get blood work in 5-6 wks to see how you've recovered?