About to start a Test, Deca, Primo cycle - Need some helpful advice

[longworthb]

U can always start at your original doses and up them if u don't have sides that aren't manageable. It's hard to drop the dose down with a longer ester but a lot easier to add. I'd say 400 test and 300 deca would be a good starting spot but I'd much prefer test doses at twice the deca to make sure I don't get deca dick but u could respond very well to lower doses. Everyone is different

[longworthb]

Oh I also recommend getting bloods done before the cycle to see where your natural test levels are. If there low your a perfect candidate for trt

[overburdened]

Primo is really good for cutting cycles.. are you prone to hair loss? If you aren't, you won't notice much hair loss, even with moderately high doses of primo...

deca is good for dieting, but it won't give you the 'finished' look.. it will leave you with some water most of the time.. but you can diet with it, then switch to primo for the 'finished look'... 600mg is a good place to start with the primo, you can go up from there til you find a dose you like with no sides.. (primo is on the REALLY low end, sides-wise... so you can do a fair bit and be alright...)

Primo is an excellent comp for older people, as it really doesn't have much in the way of sides...

you won't have issues with 'deca dick' as long as you keep the test slightly higher(and caber always helps as well...)

hey overburdened, actually i have more Primo than that. The low dosage I originally indicated had more to do with my lack of experience with Primo. I'd done some research and read that the higher doses of sometimes cause some hair loss. Are you able to suggest the smallest but still effective dose? Whatever that dose may be, is the hair loss an issue or is that only at some even higher dose (if so, would appreciate an idea of what that dose may be).

Or maybe you still feel saving the Primo for a cutting cycle is the best idea. I wouldn't have a problem with that.

One member PM'd and said, "Save it for a cutting cycle. The best cutting cycle I ever did was 400 mg test e and 800 primo for 14 weeks, and of course diet is key. " Seems like a reasonable approach. Do you have an opinion on that? Do you think there would be a hair thinning issue at that level and that cycle length.

Last question, if I do plan a cutting cycle something like that suggested, is there a place for Deca in it, and if so what would be the suggested minimum effective dose? Thanks for any and all adive.

[old_man]

U can always start at your original doses and up them if u don't have sides that aren't manageable. It's hard to drop the dose down with a longer ester but a lot easier to add. I'd say 400 test and 300 deca would be a good starting spot but I'd much prefer test doses at twice the deca to make sure I don't get deca dick but u could respond very well to lower doses. Everyone is different

Yeah, makes sense. Starting lower leaves room for increases. Based on all the good advice I've gotten, I'm thinking I may focus this cycle more on firming, cutting, and reducing fat%. If no bad sides, I can take 2 or 3 months off and then do a higher dosage bulker.

I had blood work done about a month ago. They don't reflect my natural T levels though because I'd been doing Test E (250 mg/wk) up to about 2 weeks before the blood work. My levels were: Serum Test 982 ng/dl and Free Test 49 pg/ml. From what i recall, the last time I had blood work w/o having done T, levels were slightly below mid-way of the normal range.

[old_man]

Primo is really good for cutting cycles.. are you prone to hair loss? If you aren't, you won't notice much hair loss, even with moderately high doses of primo...

deca is good for dieting, but it won't give you the 'finished' look.. it will leave you with some water most of the time.. but you can diet with it, then switch to primo for the 'finished look'... 600mg is a good place to start with the primo, you can go up from there til you find a dose you like with no sides.. (primo is on the REALLY low end, sides-wise... so you can do a fair bit and be alright...)

Primo is an excellent comp for older people, as it really doesn't have much in the way of sides...

you won't have issues with 'deca dick' as long as you keep the test slightly higher(and caber always helps as well...)

I've had a little hair thinning, not much, so I probably should start the Primo doses low - I can try 600 and go from there. What kind of results can I expect from doing a cutter with 350 test and 250 deca? If I can make some progress with little or no sides I'm ok with it for this cycle.

When in the cycle should I introduce the primo (at 600/wk)? Maybe keep the test at the same level and at some point drop the deca and add the primo or should they be overlapped at all?

A couple guys recommended the Caber. Should that be integrated into the cycle? If so, how much and how often for the cutting cycle? Or should it only be used if sides appear. I'm planning on anastrozole too, around .25 mg/day. At this point I hope I'm getting close to something that makes sense for me, so opinions are encouraged even if it's to say 'there's a better way to go". I'm anxious to get started - thanks to everyone for all the helpful advice.

[old_man]

Never used primo either but I agree with captn. Run your test somewhere between 5-700 deca at around 4-500 and make sure u have something on hands for possible prolactin sides. If u start to experience Ed due to the deca up your test or drop the deca down a little. Use caber at .5 every 3rd day and u should be fine. Plus the sex on caber is amazing

Plan is a bit different now. Going to make this a cutting cycle. If all goes well, next time around will be a bulker w/ higher dosing.

Goal this cycle: reduce body fat 18% to 14%. Firm and harden muscles. Maintain current weight (187 lbs).

Planned dosages:

Test E, 300 mg, wks 1-14
Deca, 250 mg, wks 1-10
Primo, 400 mg, wks 3 - 14 (would make it 500 but I'll be using all I have)
Peptides, modfied grf(1-29), and Ipamorelin (3 x 100 mcg/day)
Anastrozole, .25 mg/day, wks 1-14
Caber, ??? (longworthb, hey bro, for this protocol would you still recommend integrating Caber into cycle ? same dosing??)

PCT, wks 17-20, clomid (100mg, 50 mg, 50 mg) - if I continue the peptides, I may not need the clomid ??

Diet, 2,400 cal day (~500 less/day than base maintenance)
Protein, 200 gr/day
Carbs, complex, clean (vary slightly day to day)
Lots of vegetables, oatmeal, high fiber fruit, etc.
5 meals per day (3 based around whey protein)

Is plan reasonable?
Goals realistic?
Diet and protein intake Ok?

All that helped me get to this point, thanks! and please comment - I plan to start on Friday.

[old_man]

Plan is a bit different now. Going to make this a cutting cycle. If all goes well, next time around will be a bulker w/ higher dosing.

Goal this cycle: reduce body fat 18% to 14%. Firm and harden muscles. Maintain current weight (187 lbs).

Planned dosages:

Test E, 300 mg, wks 1-14
Deca, 250 mg, wks 1-10
Primo, 400 mg, wks 3 - 14 (would make it 500 but I'll be using all I have)
Peptides, modfied grf(1-29), and Ipamorelin (3 x 100 mcg/day)
Anastrozole, .25 mg/day, wks 1-14
Caber, ??? (longworthb, hey bro, for this protocol would you still recommend integrating Caber into cycle ? same dosing??)

PCT, wks 17-20, clomid (100mg, 50 mg, 50 mg) - if I continue the peptides, I may not need the clomid ??

Diet, 2,400 cal day (~500 less/day than base maintenance)
Protein, 200 gr/day
Carbs, complex, clean (vary slightly day to day)
Lots of vegetables, oatmeal, high fiber fruit, etc.
5 meals per day (3 based around whey protein)

Is plan reasonable?
Goals realistic?
Diet and protein intake Ok?

All that helped me get to this point, thanks! and please comment - I plan to start on Friday.

Anyone have a comment on my cycle plan? I'd feel better if someone had something to say about it.

[Mr.BTB]

On your Test you need to up it a little more as it breaks down and is not like a prop ester....And Primo some respond well to it and other do not...I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you have enough up your primo to 500mg a week. If you have changed this to a cutter then deca I would drop just personally and leave the deca to a bulk cycle.

pxt wise: I would not drop the clomid what so ever.....for me personally I love it!

The rest have fun and train hard and have your diet in check!

MR.BTB

[jay_steel]

drop the primo and hold onto it until you can run it for longer at a higher dose. raise your test to 750 to 900. Deca at 400 or so. I run mine at 600. i dont run caber with deca just because my dick still works well with higher test. Clomid is a must for pct with deca.

[old_man]

On your Test you need to up it a little more as it breaks down and is not like a prop ester....And Primo some respond well to it and other do not...I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you have enough up your primo to 500mg a week. If you have changed this to a cutter then deca I would drop just personally and leave the deca to a bulk cycle.

pxt wise: I would not drop the clomid what so ever.....for me personally I love it!

The rest have fun and train hard and have your diet in check!

MR.BTB

Ok, i think i will up the primo to 500 mg/wk and the test to 350 or 400. probably just take enough deca for joint support (100 mg should do it). I'll keep Clomid in for PCT. When you say you love it, is it for the effect, because some guys say it gets them a bit depressed. You experience anything like that? One guy even said it screws up his eyesight???