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Looks like Michigan won.No more paying union dues
what will that do to your retirement benefits?
i'd rather have more people working at lower wages and no so cadillac benefits versus high unemployment and the workers paying more to help those who aren't working...right to work is a good thing...but LAM will disagree and blame cause that's what he does...
Great! Unions are the primary reason the rust belt has been dying on the vine since the 80's.
according to whom? there isn't a single economist in the world that is not a talking head for the radical right that has ever written or stated such. when profits started to decline from a decreasing global market shares production was moved south of the border, to China, etc. with the rest of the US manufacturing sector.
you've never been in a union or live in a big city so what exactly do you know about them exactly besides what you hear on tv?
the rust belt died because they continued to churn out crap and didn't adjust to the new high mileage cars like Toyata, Honda, etc. when they arrived to the US in the 70's, etc.
Union is still obligated to protect those employees who decided not to join the union. In other word, these employees get free protection from the union. It is good for them.
according to whom? There isn't a single economist in the world that is not a talking head for the radical right that has ever written or stated such. When profits started to decline from a decreasing global market shares production was moved south of the border, to china, etc. With the rest of the us manufacturing sector.
You've never been in a union or live in a big city so what exactly do you know about them exactly besides what you hear on tv?
The rust belt died because they continued to churn out crap and didn't adjust to the new high mileage cars like toyata, honda, etc. When they arrived to the us in the 70's, etc.
liberalism is a mental disorder
according to whom? there isn't a single economist in the world that is not a talking head for the radical right that has ever written or stated such. when profits started to decline from a decreasing global market shares production was moved south of the border, to China, etc. with the rest of the US manufacturing sector.
you've never been in a union or live in a big city so what exactly do you know about them exactly besides what you hear on tv?
the rust belt died because they continued to churn out crap and didn't adjust to the new high mileage cars like Toyata, Honda, etc. when they arrived to the US in the 70's, etc.
You conveniently left out poor quality control and high cost of labor with shrinking margins. So much goes ointo a downturn like this that your generalization is laughable for a "smart" person. Put the book down and live in a state in the rust belt and get some real facts from people that were there. You won't though because its not some European economist telling the "facts."
right to work states have less unemployment and higher wages.
Ed Schultz brought up a good point (Yes, I know he's a liberal and a union shill, but a good point is a good point regardless if it comes from the left, right, or center). If the right to work is about freedom to not join a union, why are police and firefighters exempt?
because those of us that actually learned US (and world wage) history know that collective bargaining was a big part of the wage growth of US workers from the early 1900's to the 80's when wages stopped increasing...
The answer is mismanagement and the general down turn in the economy. It's why some companies were hurt more than others even though they all have unions. What hurt them the most was how much exposure they had to loans. They were bailed out for the same reasons the banks were. Or maybe the problem with the banks were unions?
It's easy to blame the unions when your mismanagement and the economy tanked your company. Everyone needs a scapegoat.
actually the RTW states rank at the rock bottom of the states for per capita income with the exception of VA which is loaded with government workers and private firms that provide goods and services directly to the Fed gov. the 10 poorest states in the US are all RTW states.
Per Capita Personal Income U.S. and All States
the RTW states are far less populated than the unionized states in the north and west and it's been that way since the industrial revolution as people flocked to the big cities to get out of agriculture, etc. and because those same states never embraced the industrial revolution manufacturing of capital goods in the US has remained n the northern states. which means they have not felt much of the effects of the "free trade agreements" that have sent millions of US manufactured jobs offshore.
Yep but of course we only care about RTW's effects as a function of time. A single point tells you nothing(for those who haven't passed 7th grade yet). Same thing with population, RTW states are the ones gaining population because that's where new manufacturing jobs are.
looking at the effects over a period of time certainly did not help your feeble argument.
Years State adopted RTW and State Rank for per capita income in 2011 and GDP Rank.
1943 - Florida - 26 (#4 in GDP)
1947 - Arizona - 41 (#18 in GDP)
1947 - Arkansas - 45 (#34 in GDP)
1947 - Georgia - 39 (#11 in GDP)
1947 - Iowa - 23 (#30 in GDP)
1947 - Nebraska - 19 (#37 in GDP)
1947 - North Carolina - 37 (#10 in GDP)
1947 - North Dakota - 7 (#50 in GDP)
1947 - South Dakota - 12 (#47 in GDP)
1947 - Tennessee - 35 (#21 in GDP)
1947 - Texas - 25 (#2 in GDP)
1947 - Virginia - 8 (#9 in GDP)
1950 - Nevada - 34 (#32 in GDP)
1952 - Alabama - 42 (#25 in GDP)
1952 - Mississippi - 50 (#36 in GDP)
1952 - South Carolina - 48 (#27 in GDP)
1952 - Utah - 46 (#33 in GDP)
1954 - Kansas - 24 (#31 in GDP)
1955 - Wyoming - 6 (#48 in GDP)
1963 - Louisiana - 28 (#24 in GDP)
1985 - Idaho - 49 (#43 in GDP)
2001 - Oklahoma - 32 (#29 in GDP)
2012 - Indiana - 40 (#16)
2012 - Michigan - 36 (#13)
* how many of the RTW states rank in the upper 50 percentile for per capita income? 6 after 50 years...super
those are some great numbers there...trust me you don't want to get into education and healthcare rankings because it's not good either.
as I have stated time and time again and posted wage data from the 2010 SSA data. 70% of the total US workforce is low paid once adjusted for inflation. the fact that the RTW states are increasing their low wages up to the levels of some of the high union states solves absolutely nothing.
I'm on your side of this argument, but those numbers are definitely not showing the whole picture. Many of those states went RTW in '47. A lot of them are agricultural states that have fallen behind when compared to manufacturing and white-collar states. Not to mention that many of those states have the lowest cost of living, so it would make sense that they would have the lowest wages.
In any case, just looking at the wages doesn't cover the equally important numbers relating to health and retirement benefits.
1. Percentage Growth in Non-Farm Private Sector Employees (1995-2005)
a. Right to Work States: 12.9%
b. Non-right to Work States: 6.0%
2. Average Poverty Rate-Adjusted for Cost of Living (2002-2004)
a. Right to Work States: 8.5%
b. Non-right to Work States: 10.1%
3. Percentage Growth in Patents Annually Granted (1995-2005)
a. Right to Work States: 33.0%
b. Non-right to Work States: 11.0%
4. Percentage Growth in Real Personal Income (1995-2005)
a. Right to Work States: 26.0%
b. Non-right to Work States: 19.0%
5. Percentage Growth in Number of People Covered by Employment Based Private Health Insurance (1995-2005):
a. Right to Work States: 8.5%
b. Non-right to Work States: 0.7%
The Chrysler Jefferson North assembly plant is shown in Detroit, Thursday, Sept. 20, 2012. Chrysler has reinstated more than a dozen Jefferson North assembly line workers who were filmed drinking and smoking pot during their breaks.
Chrysler has reinstated more than a dozen Jefferson North assembly line workers who were filmed drinking and smoking pot during their breaks.
I'm on your side of this argument, but those numbers are definitely not showing the whole picture. Many of those states went RTW in '47. A lot of them are agricultural states that have fallen behind when compared to manufacturing and white-collar states. Not to mention that many of those states have the lowest cost of living, so it would make sense that they would have the lowest wages.
In any case, just looking at the wages doesn't cover the equally important numbers relating to health and retirement benefits.