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    Islamists Harsh Justice Is on the Rise in North Mali

    "I myself cut off my brother's hand", said Aliou Tour, a police chief in the Islamist-held north of this divided nation. "We had no choice but to practice the justice of God."

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    Islamists Harsh Justice Is on the Rise in North Mali



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    There have been at least 14 cases of amputation since the Islamist takeover. Moctar Tour, above, was accused of stealing guns.

    By Adam Nossiter
    Published: December 27, 2012

    BAMAKO, Mali Moctar Tour was strapped to a chair, blindfolded, his right hand bound tight to the armrest with a rubber tube. A doctor came and administered a shot. Then Mr. Tours own brother wielded a knife, the kind used to slaughter sheep, and methodically carried out the sentence.



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    I myself cut off my brother?s hand, said Aliou Tour, a police chief in the Islamist-held north of this divided nation. We had no choice but to practice the justice of God.
    Such amputations are designed to shock residents are often summoned to watch and even as the world makes plans to recapture northern Mali by force, the Islamists who control it show no qualms about carrying them out.

    After the United Nations Security Council authorized a military campaign to retake the region last week, Islamists in Gao, Mr. Tours town, cut the hands off two more people accused of being thieves the very next day, a leading local official said, describing it as a brazen response to the United Nations resolution. Then the Islamists, undeterred by the international threats against them, warned reporters that eight others will soon share the same fate.

    This harsh application of Shariah law, with people accused of being thieves sometimes having their feet amputated as well, has occurred at least 14 times since the Islamist takeover last spring, not including the recent vow of more to come, according to Human Rights Watch and independent observers.
    But those are just the known cases, and dozens of other residents have been publicly flogged with camel-hair whips or tree branches for offenses like smoking, or even for playing music on the radio. Several were whipped in Gao on Monday for smoking in public, an official said, while others said that anything other than Koranic verses were proscribed as cellphone ringtones. A jaunty tune is punishable by flogging.

    At least one case of the most severe punishment stoning to death was carried out in the town of Aguelhok in July against a couple accused of having children out of wedlock.
    Trials are often rudimentary. A dozen or so jihadi judges sitting in a circle on floor mats pronounce judgment, according to former Malian officials in the north. Hearings, judgment and sentence are usually carried out rapidly, on the same day.
    They do it among themselves, in closed session, said Abdou Sidib, a parliamentary deputy from Gao, now in exile here in the capital, Bamako. These people who have come among us have imposed their justice, he said. It comes from nowhere.

    The jihadists are even attempting to sell the former criminal courts building in Gao, Mr. Sidib said, because they no longer have any use for it. In Timbuktu, justice is dispensed from a room in a former hotel.
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    ....Donkey is right...Shariah Law is nasty ....keep it out of the USA...

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    Islam is only one religion. Don't even try to put it on some kind of moral equivilancy with other more traditional religions which are, for the most psrt, peaceful. Islam is like a cancer that's spreading faster than any other illness on earth right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post


    ....Donkey is right...Shariah Law is nasty ....keep it out of the USA...
    the fear campaign by the US media monopoly in regards to Islam is nothing but a ploy. it does nothing except help fuel the fake war on terror and the whole "us" vs them mentality it is nothing but a distraction.

    the greatest threat to Americans right now is the war on labor by capital
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    All praise Allah...
    I will as soon as he comes down and tells the fundamentalists of all abrahamic religions to behave like evolved homo sapiens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supreme Allah View Post
    You will burn in the fires of allah..he is kind and sees all.like Wp^^^^^^
    Allah can clean the underside of my balls with his tongue and Mohammed can hold my dick out of the way with his mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    the fear campaign by the US media monopoly in regards to Islam is nothing but a ploy. it does nothing except help fuel the fake war on terror and the whole "us" vs them mentality it is nothing but a distraction.

    the greatest threat to Americans right now is the war on labor by capital
    So, I guess that 9/11 was just an incident that we should have ignored and rounded up a few thugs and tried them in a civilian court. Then again, you've been drinking the kool-aid that it was an inside job. The Indians should also treat the Mumbai massacre as a petty crime. Hell, maybe if you had it your way, Osama would be on probation. I bet that's your only beef with him that he had him taken out. But, yes in our new world order of "free trade" bigger labor unions with more power and influence is going to turn this economy around.

    Dude, you're living in the past. When Europe and Asia were decimated by WWII and we were the only game in town, labor unions served a great purpose. But, we're not living in the 1960s anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    Allah can clean the underside of my balls with his tongue and Mohammed can hold my dick out of the way with his mouth.
    Muhammed is not worthy of giving my dog a rim job. Same goes for Moses both were equally evil men IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    So, I guess that 9/11 was just an incident that we should have ignored and rounded up a few thugs and tried them in a civilian court. Then again, you've been drinking the kool-aid that it was an inside job. The Indians should also treat the Mumbai massacre as a petty crime. Hell, maybe if you had it your way, Osama would be on probation. I bet that's your only beef with him that he had him taken out. But, yes in our new world order of "free trade" bigger labor unions with more power and influence is going to turn this economy around.

    Dude, you're living in the past. When Europe and Asia were decimated by WWII and we were the only game in town, labor unions served a great purpose. But, we're not living in the 1960s anymore.
    911 was an inside job...you will burn in the fires of allah

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    So, I guess that 9/11 was just an incident that we should have ignored and rounded up a few thugs and tried them in a civilian court. Then again, you've been drinking the kool-aid that it was an inside job. The Indians should also treat the Mumbai massacre as a petty crime. Hell, maybe if you had it your way, Osama would be on probation. I bet that's your only beef with him that he had him taken out. But, yes in our new world order of "free trade" bigger labor unions with more power and influence is going to turn this economy around.

    Dude, you're living in the past. When Europe and Asia were decimated by WWII and we were the only game in town, labor unions served a great purpose. But, we're not living in the 1960s anymore.
    please do tell then where are the bodies and luggage at the crash sites at the Pentagon and in Schwenksville PA? then talk to me about who's drinking what....you believe what they told you because it was on tv despite a complete lack of physical evidence...interesting, just a complete lack of critical thought there on your part.

    and if labor unions are a thing of the past why do all of the best performing country's and economies in the world have labor union density rates so high? you might actually want to try learning something about econ and world labor wage history before blasting labor unions. the past you know nothing about it...your MBA completely useless, I know 10x more than you on the subject with out ever setting foot in a classroom. because every single nobel prize winning economist states your 100% wrong as does all the empirical data, but why use that when your blind far right ideology is so much easier.

    what did you tell your children when daddy had to go to China just to find a decent paying job?

    your a fool and complete sucker
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    please do tell then where are the bodies and luggage at the crash sites at the Pentagon and in Schwenksville PA? then talk to me about who's drinking what....you believe what they told you because it was on tv despite a complete lack of physical evidence...interesting, just a complete lack of critical thought there on your part
    I believe the one in PA may very wello have been shot down as it was headed for the WH. Other than that, I don't see how 20 or so arabs coming to the US for flight school and 19 of them having been identified as the ones who took over the planes and flew them into the towers is a complete lack of evidence, just because a small but dedicated group of conspiracy nuts say that it was the gov that did it. There was also the 20th one who was stupid enough to get arrrested when he admitted he didn't need to know how to land, just how to steer.

    and if labor unions are a thing of the past why do all of the best performing country's and economies in the world have labor union density rates so high? you might actually want to try learning something about econ and world labor wage history before blasting labor unions. the past you know nothing about it...your MBA completely useless, I know 10x more than you on the subject with out ever setting foot in a classroom. because every single nobel prize winning economist states your 100% wrong as does all the empirical data, but why use that when your blind far right ideology is so much easier.

    what did you tell your children when daddy had to go to China just to find a decent paying job?

    your a fool and complete sucker
    Can you explain why your hero FDR was against labor unions in the public sector? Is that just the one area where you disagree with him? Yes, socialism has worked wonders for the EU block. Perhaps sitting in a classroom for a while rather than reading garbage from the likes of Saul Alinski, Chomski, Krugman, etc., might have done you some good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    please do tell then where are the bodies and luggage at the crash sites at the Pentagon and in Schwenksville PA? then talk to me about who's drinking what....you believe what they told you because it was on tv despite a complete lack of physical evidence...interesting, just a complete lack of critical thought there on your part.

    and if labor unions are a thing of the past why do all of the best performing country's and economies in the world have labor union density rates so high? you might actually want to try learning something about econ and world labor wage history before blasting labor unions. the past you know nothing about it...your MBA completely useless, I know 10x more than you on the subject with out ever setting foot in a classroom. because every single nobel prize winning economist states your 100% wrong as does all the empirical data, but why use that when your blind far right ideology is so much easier.

    what did you tell your children when daddy had to go to China just to find a decent paying job?

    your a fool and complete sucker
    you conspiracy believers are hilarious, just like the people who think the economy is Obamas fault.
    I have been to alot of crash sites once metal catches on fire it will burn everything in site. I've seen F-16 crashes that only left burnt soil behind. Parts are only found when an impact scatters debris.
    come on man I know your alot smarter than this comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    I believe the one in PA may very wello have been shot down as it was headed for the WH. Other than that, I don't see how 20 or so arabs coming to the US for flight school and 19 of them having been identified as the ones who took over the planes and flew them into the towers is a complete lack of evidence, just because a small but dedicated group of conspiracy nuts say that it was the gov that did it. There was also the 20th one who was stupid enough to get arrrested when he admitted he didn't need to know how to land, just how to steer.


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    it wasnt shot down, if a missle hit that plane it would have scattered debris for miles

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    Quote Originally Posted by heckler7 View Post
    it wasnt shot down, if a missle hit that plane it would have scattered debris for miles
    I can't argue for or against that really since I've never seen a plane get shot down. But, I always had a hard time with the official story. Obviously, by that time, the WH must have known it was coming, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was.

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    they would have probably shot it down if it hadnt gone down thru the bravery of the passengers on board.
    they government isnt that powerfull and that intellegent to design a plot like 9/11 just to lead us into a war that costs us more money than our economy can handle.
    If the government was that great why dont they just garnish our wages and take all our guns. seems like a simple task for such an elite think tank as the Obama admin and Bush admin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heckler7 View Post
    they would have probably shot it down if it hadnt gone down thru the bravery of the passengers on board.
    they government isnt that powerfull and that intellegent to design a plot like 9/11 just to lead us into a war that costs us more money than our economy can handle.
    If the government was that great why dont they just garnish our wages and take all our guns. seems like a simple task for such an elite think tank as the Obama admin and Bush admin.
    The same government that leaks information like a sieve was somehow able to orchestrate 9/11, which would have required dozens, if not over a hundred, people without any real proof coming out?

    Ri-i-i-ight...


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    Hell, IDK. Just ask LAM. He knows exactly what happened that day and has all the answers to turn this economy around and make us as much of an economic powerhouse as Greece or Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    Hell, IDK. Just ask LAM. He knows exactly what happened that day and has all the answers to turn this economy around and make us as much of an economic powerhouse as Greece or Spain.
    With all the austerity measures Spain and Greece have implemented they ought to be outdoing China at this point in the game. But they are only doing worse as each day passes. Austerity doesn't seem to be the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heckler7 View Post
    you conspiracy believers are hilarious, just like the people who think the economy is Obamas fault.
    I have been to alot of crash sites once metal catches on fire it will burn everything in site. I've seen F-16 crashes that only left burnt soil behind. Parts are only found when an impact scatters debris.
    come on man I know your alot smarter than this comment
    an F16 isn't a commercial aircraft with many tons of carbon based life forms and in luggage. blood, bodies and luggage don't disappear or get vaporized from a simple plane crash. there isn't enough stored energy in any of the materials that constitute a plane to accomplish that, the physics just isn't there. check the NTSB records and see if you can find one single occurrence of that because you can't.

    the government story is so full of wholes it holds no water at all.

    why did GWB say "what the US needed was another Pearl Harbor"? when history shows that FDR moved the Pacific Fleet to Pearl against the advice of the rear admiral (who was subsequently relieved of duty for objecting) to lure the Japs into attacking us to enter the war and to garner the backing of the public just like what happened on 9-11. their own words and history tells us what happened even if they will not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    With all the austerity measures Spain and Greece have implemented they ought to be outdoing China at this point in the game. But they are only doing worse as each day passes. Austerity doesn't seem to be the answer.
    to add on to this:

    austerity measures have never worked in world economic history and as we have seen have not helped a single country in the EU or globe.

    austerity measures and/or fiscal contraction of gov stimulus only works when the economy is in a period of positive expansion and or there is room for monetary policy to be used (lower interest rates, etc.). basically when government spending is crowding out monies the private sector would otherwise be spending, neither of which are applicable to the US economy...once again economics 101 there Gears
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    Hell, IDK. Just ask LAM. He knows exactly what happened that day and has all the answers to turn this economy around and make us as much of an economic powerhouse as Greece or Spain.
    never said I had the answers but I certainly know and understand the causes......

    the middle class in the US appeared overnite in the matter of a decade post the great depression with government spending, the highest labor unions density rates and progressive taxes. what happened when all of these went away in the 70's and 80's?

    the middle class rapidly began to shrink...wow what a shocker reversing the policies that made the middle class caused it to disappear.
    William F. Buckley describes a conservative as, "someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop." - and then proceeds to drag civilization back to times best left in history's dungheap.

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