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    what can I expect on my first Var cycle?

    I am about to start my first cycle of Var and would appreciate some feedback from women who have been here. It would be helpful to know what type of gains/time lines I could expect....... also, change of diet, workout routines, etc. Thanks so much in advance.
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    It depends more what your goal is. An AAS is going to support your diet & training, not drive them. If you want to cut, then set up a cutting diet & training, and the var will support that. If you want to bulk, then eat for it, train for it, and the var will support that. Diet / training / recovery are always your foundation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gettinthere View Post
    I am about to start my first cycle of Var and would appreciate some feedback from women who have been here. It would be helpful to know what type of gains/time lines I could expect....... also, change of diet, workout routines, etc. Thanks so much in advance.
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    If you're taking baby dose I can't advise you. If you'll be getting up to a real dose of at least 20mg per day I will give you the rundown:

    Your first cycle you can drop fat and add muscle at the same time no problem. Depending how long you are going to be on you may be able to add up to five pounds of muscle while dropping ten pounds of fat. You will be stronger harder and smaller at the end. The scale may go up before it goes down so take your measurements and don't let this upset you. Depending if you want to really bulk or are looking to shed fat the adjustment will be in your diet like sassy said and var will help you with either goal. To recomp I eat a smidge above maintenance but then
    Add cardio and don't account for the calories burned during lifting which creates a net deficit but not a deficit in calories consumed. Does that make sense?

    It takes var a couple weeks to kick in. The first thing you will notice will be unnatural muscle pump. For me it was in the spinal erectors. I had never felt anything like THAT before. From then out you will be stronger every workout. You will be visibly dropping fat and visibly becoming more muscular.

    Side effects lots of women experience are acne, increased sex drive, increased clit sensitivity and loss of their period during cycle only. Make sure your birth control is on point because you may not have this old school early indicator of pregnancy.

    Make sure you are getting all of your supplements including taurine 2000mg ED and amino acids magnesium and calcium. Make sure you are eating lots of lean protein I usually come in around 250g per day. Make sure your maximum carb intake is peri workout. Take before pictures and measurements.


    Get ready to be stoked. Real anavar is absolutely revolutionary. There is only so much that women can accomplish naturally and it was nowhere close to what I wanted. I fucking love anavar and think you will too.

    Feel free to pm me anytime with any questions once you get your post count up. Good luck have fun and really go for it. Push hard then whole cycle your results will be incredible.

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    thanks so much for your imput on my questions.

    I don't have plans for baby steps. I wanna start off with 20mg and see how that goes. I've done tonnes of research into this, and have decided to start with the Var. If all goes well, I may stack some Winny in there too, after two or three weeks. (maybe 5 or 10mg) I have a naturaly high test levels so my body shape is quite lean and muscular already but I want to lose that 'fat layer' and really see my form.
    You will find me in the gym three days a week (as well as working full time) and rarely ever miss a day. My days are splits, Monday being arms and chest, Weds is shoulders and back and Friday is the big leg day. I bench 110lbs, squat 200lbs (my max) and leg press 360lbs. (I weigh in at around 130lb but I don't really keep track of that.)
    It is hard to find Var in Canada, at least for me it is. I certainly don't go around asking anyone, and I am new to my city. I am hoping to get my first cycle going within a month (fingers crossed that things work out like I want).
    My diet is good, taking supplements and vitamins regular. Whey protien is my god. lol
    Any other thoughts, suggestions and/or motivation is always welcome!
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    I don't recommend stacking things you've never run seperately. If you are naturally tending to be lean, I don't think you need winstrol, not to mention it tends to dry out your joints.

    The layer of fat thing is always going to be your diet - I would suggest you review your diet or post it. "Good", "clean", etc. doesn't always mean it is optimized for what you want.


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    what can I expect on my first Var cycle?

    Me personally am not a fan of winny. Kills my joints and mood, not to Mention it hurts your good cholesterol

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    Re: what can I expect on my first Var cycle?

    I mostly agree with Sassy. With the exception that you can tey stacks with an anavar base plus another AAS once you are very familiar with anavar. For women anavar is King.

    First cycle should be anavar only. Week one 10mg week two 20mg week three you can bump it again. Once you are six weeks in and really feeling it if you want more do MORE ANAVAR. I have many girls go up to fifty on their first cycle. Some stay there some drop it down.

    Second cycle is usually MORE ANAVAR unless they ran 50mg the whole first cycle then we look at stacking.

    Winstrol isnt even on the table for me and nothing should be taking beyond anavar if the girl doesn't tolerate at least 30mg ED and tolerate it very well.

    Second cycle I like var 20-30mg ED plus oral primo ace 20mg ED.

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    Thanks for all the great feedback. I will definately hold off on the winny.
    At the moment, I will have to hold off on the var too,............. my conection fell through. I was so super excited. Will definately keep going to the gym, and loving it. It'll happen when it happens. Any Canadians out there with some 'advice' on this???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agentyes View Post
    I mostly agree with Sassy. With the exception that you can tey stacks with an anavar base plus another AAS once you are very familiar with anavar. For women anavar is King.

    First cycle should be anavar only. Week one 10mg week two 20mg week three you can bump it again. Once you are six weeks in and really feeling it if you want more do MORE ANAVAR. I have many girls go up to fifty on their first cycle. Some stay there some drop it down.


    Second cycle is usually MORE ANAVAR unless they ran 50mg the whole first cycle then we look at stacking.

    Winstrol isnt even on the table for me and nothing should be taking beyond anavar if the girl doesn't tolerate at least 30mg ED and tolerate it very well.

    Second cycle I like var 20-30mg ED plus oral primo ace 20mg ED.

    At what point would you choose an injectible over more and more var?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    At what point would you choose an injectible over more and more var?
    Var is not injectable. 50mg ED is as high as I would want to go personally on oral var. It is not that its better to take more orals it is that a woman that can't tolerate a pretty good dose of anavar isn't going to be able to handle var + primo. Establishing a good relationship with anavar meaning a good understanding of how it works to and for you is imperative before adding anything else to the mix. Anavar is king for women just as test is king for men. It is where all women should start and many women never need or want to use anything more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agentyes View Post
    Var is not injectable. 50mg ED is as high as I would want to go personally on oral var. It is not that its better to take more orals it is that a woman that can't tolerate a pretty good dose of anavar isn't going to be able to handle var + primo. Establishing a good relationship with anavar meaning a good understanding of how it works to and for you is imperative before adding anything else to the mix. Anavar is king for women just as test is king for men. It is where all women should start and many women never need or want to use anything more.
    To clarify - I was not implying that var is available in injectible form.. Most people will just switch to an injectible compound if they are looking to go 'higher' than ~20-25 mg of var, primarily because of the cost of var if you have to support something like 12 weeks x 50 mg var /day. So my question was at what point would you cap the increase in var before it becomes more efficient to go to an injectible.


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    Got it! I'll start next week. I've posted a journal if you're interested.

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    Re: what can I expect on my first Var cycle?

    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    To clarify - I was not implying that var is available in injectible form.. Most people will just switch to an injectible compound if they are looking to go 'higher' than ~20-25 mg of var, primarily because of the cost of var if you have to support something like 12 weeks x 50 mg var /day. So my question was at what point would you cap the increase in var before it becomes more efficient to go to an injectible.
    Anavar is the least androgenic AAS. Period. I know you know var isn't injectable you don't need me to tell you anything you know your stuff. Many women can achieve their goals on anavar alone. It may not take one cycle but many women don't need to try anything more androgenic. For lots of girls that is the reason they won't switch to an injectable.


    I wanted more than just anavar... but I like the look of women's physique NOT BIKINI. I still take my var at my 50 mg ED for at least half the year and just stack on top of it.

    If money is the consideration or a big one I believe 20mg ED will also yield good results. At that rate one bottle of 100x10mg lasts over six weeks.

    I can't say that switching to an Injectable is more efficient at any point if a woman doesn't want to try a more androgenic substance.

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    Actually oral turinabol is the lowest androgenic AAS...its zero...but is a different derivative the anavar...so results/sides woukd be different even with a lower andrigenic side...just sayin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s2h View Post
    Actually oral turinabol is the lowest androgenic AAS...its zero...but is a different derivative the anavar...so results/sides woukd be different even with a lower andrigenic side...just sayin...
    I assume that you are referring to the frequently posted table of anabolic/androgenic ratios of various steroids. That table is based on testing done on rats. They measured the androgenic level by the growth of the rat's prostate. They measured the anabolic level by the growth of the rats musle - not skeletal muscle mind you, but the levator ani muscle which is somewhere in a rats ass (I kid you not) and from what I can tell envelops the rat's rectum. The androgenic protocal was developed later and it uses the weight of a particular part of the rat's prostate to measure its growth in response to various steroids. So all of the measurements on those tables are based on two strange and randomly chosen parts of a rat. Not a human. Not a monkey. A rat. Guess what - these are not the greatest indicators of either androgenic or anabolic effects. That same table shows anavar as many times more anabolic than testosterone. I guess it is if you have a rat's ass.

    I don't and I don't particularly give on for that table. It is interesting and the numbers are interesting and all information is useful but it does not play out in real life. That table also shows winstrol as quite low in androgenic effects. That is not what I see in women who take it in decent sized doses. I would personlally take low dose anadrol long before I would take winstrol.

    Did you know that Oral Tbol was the main drug given to female East German athletes between 1968-1989? The idea being it was perfect for women due to its zero effect on the increase in weight of a rat's prostrate (lolright?). It sure did make those women great athletes... but as is quite visually evident it turned out to be pretty androgenic in FEMALE WOMEN after all. Aparently it was dose dependent how obvious the androgenic effects were... but on an actual zero androgen dose would be meaningless.










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