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    Food tampering

    This is why you don't outsource. At least they test the stuff.

    Nestle finds horsemeat in beef pasta meals | Comcast

    Nestle finds horsemeat in beef pasta meals

    LONDON ? Nestle <NESN.VX>, the world's biggest food company, has removed beef pasta meals from sale in Italy and Spain after finding traces of horse DNA.

    The discovery of horsemeat in products labeled as beef has spread across Europe since last month, prompting product withdrawals, consumer anger and government investigations into the continent's complex food-processing chains.
    Swiss-based Nestle, which just last week said its products had not been affected by the scandal, said its tests had found more than 1 percent horse DNA in two products.
    "We have informed the authorities accordingly," Nestle said in a statement on Monday. "There is no food safety issue."

    Nestle withdrew two chilled pasta products, Buitoni Beef Ravioli and Beef Tortellini, in Italy and Spain,
    Lasagnes ? la Bolognaise Gourmandes, a frozen product for catering businesses produced in France, will also be withdrawn.

    Nestle was suspending deliveries of all products made using beef from a German subcontractor to one of its suppliers, Nestle said.

    Governments across Europe have stressed that horsemeat poses little or no health risk, although some carcasses have been found tainted with a painkiller banned for human consumption.

    But the scandal has damaged the confidence of consumers in supermarkets and fast fold chains since horsemeat was first identified in Irish beefburgers.

    Retailer Lidl <LIDLUK.UL> said on Monday it had withdrawn products from its stores in Finland and Sweden after finding traces of horsemeat.

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    Burger King as well tested positive for Equine DNA in their whoppers.

    Its a delicacy in france. Cant be that bad...

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    Burger King UK got busted last week putting horse meat into it's products. below is the statement from ABP Food Group that supply's beef to BK UK, etc.

    Statement – ABP Food Group &ndash; ABP Food Group

    Burger King U.K. Reputation Damaged By Horsemeat Scandal

    I quit eating BK after high-school so it's been a couple of decades. IMO flame broiled tastes like ass
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    horsemeat is huge in canada...


    it could be a lot worse idk what the big deal is.. it's horsemeat not horseshit..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Donkey View Post
    horsemeat is huge in canada...


    it could be a lot worse idk what the big deal is.. it's horsemeat not horseshit..
    people aren't getting what they are paying for. hamburger is supposed to be from cows, etc. if you filled up your car with "gas" at the Shell station and it turned out to be gas & water I'm sure you wouldn't be very happy out that now would you.
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    Delta Airlines ships countless tons of horse meat to Europe every Sunday out of their ATL Air Cargo division. Horse meat really isn't that big of a deal.

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    It's funny how a cow is so widely regarded as eatable but a horse is not. I mean really they are pretty similar in terms of what they are. We just have this emotional attachment to horses. Like pigs and dogs too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    people aren't getting what they are paying for. hamburger is supposed to be from cows, etc. if you filled up your car with "gas" at the Shell station and it turned out to be gas & water I'm sure you wouldn't be very happy out that now would you.

    not a very good analogy, but alright

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieseljimmy View Post
    It's funny how a cow is so widely regarded as eatable but a horse is not. I mean really they are pretty similar in terms of what they are. We just have this emotional attachment to horses. Like pigs and dogs too.
    no doubt...i love horses and dogs, no way I could eat either of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    no doubt...i love horses and dogs, no way I could eat either of them.
    Neither would I. I look down on cultures that do. But I will have a porterhouse tonight without thinking about it. I often think about the absurdity of my logic. I have a toddler and many children's books involve animals, including farm animals. She is starting to develop her own train of thoughts. Just the other day we were reading a book before dinner that had a chick as the main character. It has fuzzy pages and it goes on about the adventures on the farm. Of course dinner that night is chicken.(wild rice and Brox for the good little bodybuilder) as we were eating she looks at me and saids. "What to chicks grow up to be". Like she was setting a trap. I had to answer and you could tell something was going on in her brain but she did not verbalize it.
    I eat very well and I spend the extra money for the free range/ no hormone added/ organic. Still I wonder why dogs get a bone and a warm blanket while I eat a pork chop. They are really not that different. I guess it's simply what society has dictated. But the irony is not lost on me.

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    horsemeat is laden with veterinary medications that have no place in a human body. there is no such thing as a horse raised for human consumption. you may as well go to the pound for your mean and just ask for dead pets with as much residual veterinary meds as possible.

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    and take my word for it... by the time a horse makes it to the slaughterhouse it's owners stopped caring enough to be treating it for worms


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    it's NOT just the other red meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    and take my word for it... by the time a horse makes it to the slaughterhouse it's owners stopped caring enough to be treating it for worms
    Ever heard of hellminthic therapy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    horsemeat is laden with veterinary medications that have no place in a human body. there is no such thing as a horse raised for human consumption. you may as well go to the pound for your mean and just ask for dead pets with as much residual veterinary meds as possible.
    another great reason why equine meats should not be consumed by humans...

    I started ordering free range bison, ostrich, etc. from the internet years ago from only those company's with stellar reputations. the only time I eat store bought meats is when i'm eating out at a restaurant, etc..it's getting harder and harder to find foods that are not tainted in one way or another.
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    Obama Legalizes Horse Slaughter for Human Consumption

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    US government ban lifted on selling horse meat for human consumption






    US government ban lifted on horse meat for human consumption.
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    The horsemeat ban has been lifted and soon will be available in the USA for human consumption. Check out the article, Horse Slaughter Approved for U.S.: 5 Reasons To Eat Horse Meat. Why is so much news focused on PETA approving the eating of horsemeat? See, Horse slaughter poised to resume in US -- with PETA's approval? The Los AngelesTimes notes that, PETA -- which is known for taking provocative positions in its fight to protect animals -- continues to oppose the slaughter of horses for meat. But PETA says, according to the LA Times, that allowing the reopening of U.S. slaughterhouses may ultimately reduce the animals' suffering. PETA says it's better to ban both the domestic slaughter of horses and the export of horses for slaughter.
    See, Horse Meat Inspection Ban Lifted In The U.S. How long will it be before you can look your gift horse in the mouth and eat it too? Horse meat as an entree on your restaurant meal or in your food market is becoming a reality. See the December 1, 2011 news article, Horses May Soon Be Slaughtered in US for Human Consumption. Also see the articles, Horsemeat May Become Available to Humans - TIME. Stop Horse Slaughter for Human Consumption in the USA. Check out, Would Chicago chefs serve horse?
    Before horsemeat for human consumption was banned in the USA the money generated amounted to about $65 million annually. And stores sold horsemeat for human meals as late as the 1940s in the USA. Today, you'll find in served in some European countries. Similar meat, such as donkey meat is popular today in Italy and some other European nations.
    Will you see horse meat for human consumption served in California? Will it ever come to Sacramento? Not at this time. See the Ballot*Pedia site, California Proposition 6, Prohibition on Slaughter of Horses for Human Consumption. The ballot title was: Criminal Law. Prohibition on Slaughter of Horses and Sale of Horsemeat for Human Consumption. Initiative Statute.
    The ban was removed in a spending bill President Obama signed into law November 18 to aid government funds through mid-December, the Argus Leader reported. In 2010, taxpayers spent $37 million to stow nearly 40,000 animals in pens and pastures, the Bureau of Land Management told the Wall Street Journal.
    Congress has lifted a ban on funding horse meat inspections, paving the way for horses to be slaughtered and butchered for human consumption, reported the Argus Leader. The 2006 ban prevented the U.S. Department of Agriculture from using federal funds to inspect horse processing plants, which is required by law for exportation. Horse meat is considered a delicacy in some European and Asian countries, reported USA Today.
    What the the official ballot summary said:

    • Prohibits any person from possessing, transferring, receiving or holding any horse, pony, burro or mule with intent to kill it or have it killed, where the person knows or should know that any part of the animal will be used for human consumption. Provides that a violation constitutes a felony offense.
    • Also adds a provision making the sale of horsemeat for human consumption a misdemeanor offense, with subsequent violations punished as felonies.

    Since society usually "follows the money," the fiscal impact of not eating your horse focused on an estimate report from the California Legislative Analyst's Office that provided an estimate of net state and local government fiscal impact for Proposition 6. That estimate noted that "The measure could result in some increased law enforcement and incarceration costs at both the state and local level. These costs probably would be minor, if any." If you want to see who supported the proposition, look who were the supporters of it.
    Supporters of Proposition 6 spent $1,206,835. The top contributors to pass the measure were, according to the website, California Proposition 6, Prohibition on Slaughter of Horses for Human Consumption:

    • Sue Maloney Stiles: $200,000
    • Sherry Ellen Deboer: $180,000
    • Sidne J. Long: $125,000
    • Tina Long: $125,000
    • Political Animals PAC: $80,927
    • MPL Communications, Inc.: $71,000
    • Friends of Animals Inc.: $63,305
    • Comm. for Prop 6 Sponsored by the Humane Farming Action Fund: $21,000
    • Humane Farming Association: $20,000
    • Phoebe Hearst Cooke: $20,000

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    The Problem with Eating Horses
    What happens when horses get old and cross the rainbow bridge? What happens to frail horses? Are they still sent to the 19th century-style "glue factory" ? Congress has just lifted a ban on the slaughter of horses in the United States, which could lead to human consumption of the animals again, the Associated Press reported. Proponents of processing horse meat say horse slaughterhouses could be up and running within a month, the Argus Leader reported.
    Horses could soon be butchered in the U.S. for human consumption after Congress quietly lifted a 5-year-old ban on funding horse meat inspections, and activists say slaughterhouses could be up and running in as little as a month. Before the closing of horse processing facilities in the United States, the country slaughtered more than 100,000 horses a year, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures? (NCSL) Website.
    Slaughter opponents pushed a measure cutting off funding for horse meat inspections through Congress in 2006 after other efforts to pass outright bans on horse slaughter failed in previous years. Congress lifted the ban in a spending bill President Barack Obama signed into law Nov. 18 to keep the government afloat until mid-December.
    It did not, however, allocate any new money to pay for horse meat inspections, which opponents claim could cost taxpayers $3 million to $5 million a year. The U.S. Department of Agriculture would have to find the money in its existing budget, which is expected to see more cuts this year as Congress and the White House aim to trim federal spending.
    The USDA issued a statement Tuesday saying there are no slaughterhouses in the U.S. that butcher horses for human consumption now, but if one were to open, it would conduct inspections to make sure federal laws were being followed. USDA spokesman Neil Gaffney declined to answer questions beyond what was in the statement, according to news articles. Now, what you have are anti-slaughter and pro-slaughter activists.
    Those who want horses to become human food say it will stop horse neglect and abandonment. The first horse meat plant that may be opening in 30 to 90 days will be possibly in Wyoming, North North Dakota, Nebraska or Missouri. But the slaughterhouse of horses needs state approval. Pro-slaughter activists say up to 200,000 horses each year would be 'dispatched'
    They estimate a slaughterhouse could open in 30 to 90 days with state approval and eventually as many as 200,000 horses a year could be slaughtered for human consumption. Most of the meat would be shipped to Europe and Asia, where it's treated as a delicacy.
    Check out the site, The United States' prohibition of horsemeat for human consumption. No state or site has been picked yet but investors who have expressed interest in financing a processing plant are lined up now that the US government ban on selling horsemeat as food for humans has been lifted, according to current news reports. See, United Horsemen.
    Some Native American tribes report that processing horse meat is one solution to the increase wild roaming horse issues in their areas. What do you think? Should horse meat be served to humans again? When horsemeat becomes available again outside of California, how is the inspection of the meat going to take place and who's going to do it when it comes to food for humans?
    The last three slaughterhouses in the U.S. were owned by foreign companies. But the new plants would be American-owned. Why are there so many investors ready to start slaughtering horses for human food?
    How many Americans really want to eat horsemeat? And why is there so much money available for investment in horse meat? Is it the economic times when people in the past looked for cheaper food, as in the 1930s?
    In the past old or sick horses went to slaughterhouses. Today, old or unfit to work horses are sent to butchers in Mexico and Canada. In those countries, the pay ranchers get for the horses is less than half the price they'd fetch in the USA. Is this more of a problem of sick and unfit for work horses or a problem of free-roaming horses?
    Who's really bothered by free-roaming horses today in the USA? Would you eat horsemeat from a horse that's labeled unfit for work? Is that another term for a sick horse, frail horse, of just an old horse?
    You have several Native American tribes in Oregon and Washington, for example who don't like to see so many free-roaming horses trampling their rangelands. Others are afraid of the increasing horse population. See, Northwest Tribal Horse Coalition (NTHC).
    Who else eats horses? Canada for one. Currently horses are crammed into horse trailers and sent across the border to Canada to be slaughtered. In fact the slaughter of horses for their meat has risen 41 percent between 2007 and 2008.
    And if Canada isn't enough, Horses are sent to Mexico for slaughter. Where is the meat being served and to whom--humans or pets? Check out the USA Today article. Also see the LA Times article, Horse slaughter poised to resume in US -- with PETA's approval? Also check out the National Institutes of Health article from back in 2007, The United States' prohibition of horsemeat for human consumption.
    Horsemeat is a red meat with a purplish cast. In the 1950s horse meat frozen and raw was one way you'd buy meat for your dog. Usually it came in a square package you'd keep in your freezer to feet pets raw meat. Horsemeat tastes sweeter than beef.
    It will not take seasonings the same way beef does but when highly seasoned, it can be mistaken for lamb. (Marinate a beef roast in a sweet bourbon to learn the taste of horsemeat.) Locally labeled purplish meat has been reported in even national chain grocers. A healthier red meat with less fat is reindeer meat, usually served in countries near the Arctic regions such as northern Finland.
    Very few Canadians are eating horse meat. Those who do buy it usually consider it a healthy alternative to other red meats. In Mexico horse meat is served to humans who ask for it and is seen as a cheaper substitutes for other red meats. In Europe horse meat is, like Canada, considered a healthy alternative to other meats.
    And in Southern Europe, especially Italy, donkey meat is a rare delicacy served in some restaurants on demand. Who else gets horse meat and considers it an important food for people? Live horses are shipped to Japan as it is important to eat the horse meat within a few days of the kill.
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    If I were alive during these times, I would definitely eat a horse...



    But I don't, so I wont. And I don't care if it's lean..100 grams (or 3.5 ounces) of raw horse meat contains 172 calories, 9.8 grams of fat, zero carbohydrates, and just over 20 grams of protein. It?s extremely lean, which should make it a favorite for high-protein dieters. And according to research from the Korean Nutrition Society, it is a good option for people who want animal protein without large amounts of animal fat?they determined that the proteins in horse meat were beneficial for human health, and the meat is indeed lower in fat than beef or pork.

    Because If I were to eat a horse, what's next...my dog ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    horsemeat is laden with veterinary medications
    So is Beef. (trenbolone, estrogen, Antibiotics, etc)

    and take my word for it... by the time a horse makes it to the slaughterhouse it's owners stopped caring enough to be treating it for worms
    Heard of Trichinosis? Pigs allowed to roam outside potentially have it. I bet you still eat pork chops though.

    Besides, you understand that they feed cows chicken manure, right?

    No one has reported any illness from eating any of this horse "tainted" beef. Im not for the slaughter of horses as food nor am i keen on eating tainted burgers. But whats the big fucking deal? False advertising at best. Its not like it was horse manure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagbender View Post
    Obama Legalizes Horse Slaughter for Human Consumption

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    there is no such thing as a horse raised for human consumption.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jagbender View Post
    Obama Legalizes Horse Slaughter for Human Consumption

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    exactly why big money lobbying should be ended. people do fucking stupid things under pressure or with the right bait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFW View Post
    So is Beef. (trenbolone, estrogen, Antibiotics, etc)



    Heard of Trichinosis? Pigs allowed to roam outside potentially have it. I bet you still eat pork chops though.

    Besides, you understand that they feed cows chicken manure, right?

    No one has reported any illness from eating any of this horse "tainted" beef. Im not for the slaughter of horses as food nor am i keen on eating tainted burgers. But whats the big fucking deal? False advertising at best. Its not like it was horse manure.

    Carry on Google Queen, carry on......

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    Quote Originally Posted by troubador View Post
    Ever heard of hellminthic therapy?
    ewwww. i had heard of people purposefully ingesting tapeworms....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFW View Post
    So is Beef. (trenbolone, estrogen, Antibiotics, etc)



    Heard of Trichinosis? Pigs allowed to roam outside potentially have it. I bet you still eat pork chops though.

    Besides, you understand that they feed cows chicken manure, right?

    No one has reported any illness from eating any of this horse "tainted" beef. Im not for the slaughter of horses as food nor am i keen on eating tainted burgers. But whats the big fucking deal? False advertising at best. Its not like it was horse manure.

    Carry on Google Queen, carry on......

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    I'd rather have free range Kangaroo in my beef like we got in Australia when my ship restocked. Better than the camel we got in the ground beef when we restocked in Dubai. Roo has a slight sweet taste. Camel is very similar to lamb, like beefy lamb but a bit tougher. Yeah we had a lot if lamb in Albany, Australia. All much better than the soy fillers they use in processed ground beef in restaurants now days.
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    Obama Legalizes Horse Slaughter for Human Consumption

    Obama Legalizes Horse Slaughter for Human Consumption - Technorati Lifestyle
    the POTUS doesn't write legislation...and can not veto legislation that has been passed with a 2/3's majority

    who sponsored the bill in the first place? well let's see...well what do you know a republican from GA

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    USDA May Approve Horse Slaughter Plant

    USDA May Approve Horse Slaughter Plant


    The United States Department of Agriculture is likely to approve a horse slaughtering plant in New Mexico in the next two months, which would allow equine meat suitable for human consumption to be produced in the United States for the first time since 2007.

    The plant, in Roswell, N.M., is owned by Valley Meat Company, which sued the U.S.D.A. and its Food Safety and Inspection Service last fall over the lack of inspection services for horses going to slaughter. Horse meat cannot be processed for human consumption in the United States without inspection by the U.S.D.A., so horses destined for that purpose have been shipped to places like Mexico and Canada for slaughter.

    Justin DeJong, a spokesman for the agriculture department, said that "several" companies had asked the agency to re-establish inspection of horses for slaughter. "These companies must still complete necessary technical requirements and the F.S.I.S. must complete its inspector training," he wrote in an e-mail referring to the food inspection service.

    (Read more: The Economics of the Taboo Against Eating Horse Meat)
    He said the Obama administration was urging Congress to reinstate an effective ban on the production of horse meat for human consumption that lapsed in 2011.

    The impending approval comes amid growing concern among American consumers that horse meat will somehow make its way into ground beef products in the United States as it has done in Europe. Major companies, including Tesco, Nestle and Ikea, have had to pull food from shelves in 14 countries after tests showed that products labeled 100 percent beef actually contained small amounts of horse meat. Horse meat is not necessarily unsafe, and in some countries, it is popular. But some opponents of horse slaughtering say consumption of horse meat is ill-advised because of the use of various kinds of drugs in horses. (Read More: IKEA: No Horse in Meatballs in the US Stores)

    "We now have the very real prospect of a horse slaughtering plant operating in the U.S. for the first time in six years," said Wayne Pacelle, chief executive of the Humane Society of the United States. The last plant that slaughtered horse meat for human consumption in the United States closed in 2007, after Congressional approval of an appropriations bill that included a rider forbidding the U.S.D.A. from financing the inspection of such meat. That rider was renewed in subsequent appropriations bills until 2011, when Congress quietly removed it from an omnibus spending act.

    (Read more: A Hint of Horse Meat Has a Nation Squirming More Than ItsNeighbors)

    That opened the door for a renewal of the horse slaughter business, but only if the U.S.D.A. re-established inspections. The agency never moved to restart its equine inspection service.

    Valley Meat sued Tom Vilsack, the agriculture secretary, and Al Almanza, the head of the food safety inspection service, charging that the department's failure to offer inspection of horse meat violated the Federal Meat Inspection Act.
    That law directs the agriculture department to appoint inspectors to examine "all amenable species" before they enter a slaughtering facility.

    "Amenable species" were animals subject to the act the day before it was enacted, including cattle, sheep, pigs, goats, horses and mules.

    A. Blair Dunn, the lawyer for Valley Meat, said that the Justice Department recently asked the company for an additional 60 days to file a response to its lawsuit. Mr. Dunn said the Justice Department indicated it was asking for the extra time because "the U.S.D.A. plans to issue a grant of inspection within that time, which would allow my clients to begin operations." Mr. Dunn said that Valley Meat had hired experts in the humane treatment of horses for slaughter and was training employees. The company is not planning to sell meat in the United States, at least at the outset of its operations. "Last spring, they were in discussions with several companies in European countries about exporting their products," he said of his clients. "I'm sure if markets do develop in this country for horse meat for human consumption, they will look at them."

    He cautioned that Valley Meat might still face challenges to opening, noting that several parties had filed briefs on both sides of the case. The Humane Society has petitioned the Agriculture Department and the Food and Drug Administration to delay approval of any facility for horse slaughter, raising questions about the presence of drugs like phenylbutazone, which is used to treat inflammation in horses.

    Conversely, R-CALF USA, an organization representing about 5,000 family cattle ranching operations, has filed a brief supporting Valley Meat's legal case. Bill Bullard, its chief executive, said his members needed horse slaughtering facilities to humanely dispose of the horses they used in their businesses once they became old or incapacitated.

    "Beginning in 2006, when inspections were temporarily prohibited, these U.S. horses continue to be slaughtered in foreign countries like Mexico and Canada," Mr. Bullard said. "We believe the Mexicans do not adhere to the same humane standards as in the United States, and so some of our members won't sell their horses."

    Mr. Pacelle said he had been surprised to see anyone from the beef industry supporting horse slaughter. "For the cattle industry, it is a self-destructive move, since the more horse meat that's circulating, the greater the chance it will infiltrate the food supply and decrease consumer confidence in beef," he said.

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