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    prop vs enth

    I'm sure this has been discussed before but my search turned up nothing. I was wondering why some people choose test prop or test enth. Aside from the prop acting faster are there any other reasons to choose either one? I see a lot of the more experienced guys prefer prop. But even at EOD pins it's quite a bit more expensive to go the prop route so I was wondering whats the reasoning.

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    Just as its fast to build up serum levels, its also fast to clear. Many guys swap out cyp/enth to prop on the tail end of pre-contest cycles for that reason.

    There is more actual testosterone in 1mg of test prop than there is in test cyp/enth as well due to the weight of the esters, and the difference is pretty substantial... prop is ~83.72% test and cyp is ~69.9% test as the cyp ester is almost two and half times more massive than propionate.

    Some experience less bloat with propionate, but I can't speak to the science behind it. Besides, if you hold water on either, an AI should alleviate it.

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    Only reason is the time.


    Prop = gains start to come at around 2nd~3rd weeks

    Enenthate = gains start to come at anytime around 5th~9th weeks.


    People do short cycles with prop for this reason, say like 8 to 10 weeks max while enenthate bros go minimum 12 weeks almost all the times.

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    I am gonna disagree with op statement on it takes 5-9 weeks for side effects to be felt. I Only run trt doses but I can definitely feel the longer esters test kick in by week 2 . I think it's just a matter of preference , as op said with the short acting test less time for sides to kick in and less time for it to clear ur system. It's obviously more of a hassle pinning ed or eod vs once maybe twice a week with the longer ester test, which is why I think most run with it because they plan longer cycle with other compounds.
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    you guys covered, it not much more to add here.
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    I like prop better because you hold less water on it.

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    Prop injections hurt but hold less water.

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    I felt prop in less than a week...I don't notice a difference between enanthate and cyp...I use cyp because it less injections and seems to be the least painful. More of less pain free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kad37 View Post
    Prop injections hurt but hold less water.
    They don't hurt if you do it right

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    Re: prop vs enth

    Uhhhh... that kind of depends on the quality of the gear. If to much BA was used while brewing, i dont care how you pin it it's gonna hurt like hell. Same with the carrier oil. Some people dont tolerate EO well. I prefer gso but that's my personal preference. If gear is produced in an un-sterile environment or with un-sterile utensils, beakers and the like it can also cause very painful injections which lead to absess's. It's not just about pinning correctly. Not to mention pinning prop into virgin muscle. There are alot more factors that come into play than just proper injection techniques.

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    The difference is preference, nothing more. Mg vs. Mg, prop is stronger due to the ester attached.

    At the end of the day it comes down to how often do you wan to pin. If your diet and A/I are in check you won't hold much if any water.

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    For me, I like to run cyp or enan, along with deca and d-bol when I'm doing a 12-14 week bulker. When I cut, I like prop due to the quick kick in time. I also like it to combine with tren-a, so since I am already doing ED or EOD injections why not? I must be one of the lucky few. Prop never seems to give me any worse pip then the longer esters. I have had enan or cyp that hurt like hell (poorly brewed), but have always been lucky with prop.

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    Prop for leaner gains and cutting...

    Enanthate for bulking...

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    This was just brought up in another thread in this forum. In short, here are the main differences between prop and enth:


    Test enth: Greater increase in protein synthesis, per mg.
    Test enth: Increased conversion to estrogen.
    Test enth: Slower release rate.
    Test enth: Contains less testostrone, per mg.
    Test enth: Possibly reduced conversion to DHT

    Test prop: Lesser increase in protein synthesis, per mg.
    Test prop: Reduced conversion to estrogen.
    Test prop: Faster release rate.
    Test prop: Contains more testosterone, per mg.
    Test prop: Possibly increased conversion to DHT.


    In the text below I re-posted a post of mine, which I had originally posted in another thread, as it applies to the OP.


    "There is a lot of confusion regarding the effect esters have on testosterone.

    Sure, test is test, but esterfied testosterone is not just test...it is esterfied testosterone. There IS a difference. Contrary to popular belief, the attached ester makes a difference in several ways. They effect the metabolism of the testosterone molecule and also causes variances in protein synthesis rates. They also effect the testosterone molecule in more well known ways, such as differences in absorption rate rate and the percentage of testosterone contained per mg.

    Usually, all we ever hear about is 2 things: How they effect absorption rates...and the amount of testosterone contained per mg. Naturally, many assume that shorter ester will deliver a greater muscle building effect, due to the greater amount of testosterone per mg, but this is not so. Research going all the way back to the 30's (and which continued for many decades afterward) clearly shows that longer esters result in a greater increase in protein synthesis than shorter esters. In other words, longer esters are superior for growth, per mg of testosterone injected. If memeory serves me correctly, a 200 mg injection of test prop increases protein syntheis slightly under 200%, while a 200 mg inject of test enth increases protein syntheis into the mid-200 range. Every single subsequent study has shown longer esters to have a greater positive effect on protein synthesis. However, it is understandable why people would think shorter esters provide more bang for the buck. Not only do they contain more test per mg, but they frequenly provide quicker intial results. In light of this, the false belief that short estes are more potent is further strengthened.

    Longer esters are aslo more likley to interact with aromatse, due to their longer time in the body. This is why long esters promote a more watery look compared to test prop and may possibly even be a contributing factor in their ability to elevate protein synthesis above was is witnessed with shorter esters."
    Last edited by Mike Arnold; 04-04-2013 at 07:55 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by liquidex View Post
    only reason is the time.


    Prop = gains start to come at around 2nd~3rd weeks

    enenthate = gains start to come at anytime around 5th~9th weeks.


    People do short cycles with prop for this reason, say like 8 to 10 weeks max while enenthate bros go minimum 12 weeks almost all the times.

    dont think if its true!
    When i do my own cycles,any testo i inject,start to gains real fast..in week 1-2 already big gains..but i am sure not muscle growth,but gains...

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