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    MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell The Boston Bombing are the NRA's fault.

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    I thought it was Bush's fault!
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    i don't see any harm putting taggants in gunpowder. reminds me of the controversy about companies refusing to make antifreeze taste bad. all boils down to profits.

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    O"Donnell has got to be one of the worst scum on TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    i don't see any harm putting taggants in gunpowder. reminds me of the controversy about companies refusing to make antifreeze taste bad. all boils down to profits.
    Niether do I. But Blaming the NRA is like blaming spoons for making people fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    i don't see any harm putting taggants in gunpowder.
    Are you saying you lack knowledge on the subject or that based on your knowledge you believe there's no harm? I don't know much about the chemistry of taggants in ammunition.

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    Taggants in explosive is not a subject I'm knowledgeable on but I do know it will add costs to the ammo. Think about what will have to take place for it to be effective. It will have to be registered to the shooter, the batches will have to be small enough to meaningfully narrow purchasers, you'll have to ban( or severely restrict) the reselling of ammo, more government will be needed to enforce it,etc. The feds don't seem overly concerned about enforcing the laws already on the books. Sounds like playing politics.

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    I think you just told everyone, Lawrence.

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    i'd have to know more what that argument is against it. supposedly people fear it might make the gunpowder unstable just as people before thought adding a bittering agent to antifreeze MIGHT harm engines. with antifreeze i personally believe it was just a matter of costs and manufacturers fought it bitterly... pun intended, before finally agreeing to it.

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    The largest U.S. producer of taggants today is Microtrace, based in Minneapolis. Livesay acquired the license for Microtaggant from 3M in 1985 and formed his own company to manufacture it. "We only make taggants [for use in explosives] for one customer: the Swiss government," says Charles W. Faulkner, general counsel for Microtrace.

    The Swiss have used them to solve 559 bombing cases since 1984, he adds.

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    it's an old argument and i think the real objection is cost

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    The NRA opposes a government initiative to require that black powder be chemically tagged for later tracing. Various European countries do this and have used it to solve hundreds of bombings.
    The NRA beat back a provision on taggants in last years' attempt to pass an antiterrorism bill. Now, in the wake of the Olympics pipe bomb, another taggants bill is before Congress.
    The NRA's release on the topic follows the classic "the law hurts us, it isn't needed, and it wouldn't work anyway" path of the group's initiatives on laws banning armor-piercing bullets and semi-automatic weapons. The NRA claims that "This proposal could have a huge impact on the safety of the shooting sports, and deserves a very strict cost-benefit analysis by independent scientists, not Clinton Administration bureaucrats." The release goes on to make the following claims:

    • Taggants are "potentially very dangerous, as they were found to increase chemical activity, promoting spontaneous combustion when mixed with nitroglycerin, a principal component of smokeless powder";
    • The law is ineffective anyway because "a single batch of gunpowder will be distributed in one-half or one pound cans to thousands of dealers in typically 3 or 4 pound shipments and ultimately would be sold to 15,000 to 30,000 sportsmen for handloading."

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    What is the plan for the homemade black powder? All taggants will do is add cost to the law abiding. It's a red herring. That's all it is. Rather than get to the root of the problem all we concentrate on is the how. It's like putting a bandaid on a cancer patient. It does nothing to address the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    The Swiss have used them to solve 559 bombing cases since 1984, he adds.
    I know stuff like this sounds nice but the real information is to what degree has adding taggants increased the rate of bombing cases solved or prevented. It's not enough to say 'taggants helped solve X bombing cases', that's not scientific information because it doesn't tell you to what degree, detriment, cost and ultimately if it has helped in the big picture sense of increasing the rate of bombing cases solved or prevented.

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    if the cost was minimal, it was safe, and it simply helped solve ANY crimes, which it unarguably does, i wouldn't mind the added cost. i don't mind paying a few pennies more for bad tasting antifreeze either even though one could argue that kids die drinking bleach and bleach tastes like shit... recycling my garbage is a bandaid on a cancer patient so to speak but i feel better doing it.

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