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    Test/deca/dbol

    This will be my second cycle(first cycle was test e 250mg/ml - 1ml twice a week)
    I know what my macros will be, but I am not for sure about the numbers on this cycle.
    I want to know what others think about this:

    Test e: 250mg twice a week - week 1-10
    deca: 200mg twice a week - week 1 - 10
    dbol: 40mg dbol E.D. - week 1 - 4

    hcg: 250 iu twice a week 1 - 12

    Nolva: 40/40/20/20 week 13-16
    Erase: 3 caps E.D. week 13-16

    I was also thinking of taking erase while on cycle..would this be a sufficient AI? if so, how much?
    Last cycle I started getting gyno half way through..also bloated up..puffy nipples..etc..I dont want that next time.

    I am still waiting a couple months before I start this cycle because I finished my first cycle 6 weeks ago. I gained 19 pounds and lost 8. Strength wise, I am almost the same. My gyno is almost completely gone.

    I am 19
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    171 lbs
    13%bf

    Any extra suggestions?

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    I wouldnt play with too much while still in your teens. What was your first cycle? Maybe just try high test, like 750mg a week? If you put on 20lbs on your last cycle you could probably just do it again for good results. Get on the more powerful stuff when you need it. Just my opinion. Surely someone will disagree.

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    19 ooo shit bro... ok first the only 19 year olds i advice to use gear are the genetic monsters, that have a chance to compete big time BB... If you do then i recommend you finding an actual trainer/mentor that can bring you to that point. judging from 13% and 171 you have SOOO much natural gains to buiid that are describable. This is the problem with kids they feel they are entitled to things with out hard work. You have maybe been training for what 2 years? like legit training. Why dont you save the money and hire a NPC guy that does diets and learn how to eat.

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    c3p0,
    My first cycle was simple
    Test E 250mg/ml
    1ml sunday,1ml thursday
    10 weeks

    pct - nolva week 13-16 40/40/20/20
    erase 3/3/3/3 week 13-16

    I really want to add another compound to cycle. I believe what you say is somewhat true, but I dont think the numbers are too extreme on this cycle.

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    jay_steel,
    I have actually only been lifting a little over a year, I believe my genetics are pretty good..considering January 2012 I weighed 125 lbs..Even if my genetics arent freakish that isnt going to stop me from busting my ass to be as good as I can be.. I am the most determined, hardworking, bb obsessed, motivated person I know..All I think about are my goals, training, and eating..I dont think I was even training correctly until around last summer when I started doing some hardcore research..its been that way ever since. I would love to have a trainer/mentor to be able to help me, but I doubt I can afford that .All I have is all the motivation in the world and a dream..I would NEVER replace hardwork with anything. I am def not one of those guys using gear to try and "get out the easy way." I want to use them to help me achieve my dreams..

    I believe my Diet has been on point for a while now..I am open minded to whatever shows to have results with others..(depending on what my current goal is) I am still trying to learn what works best with MY body...and so far I am in love with 3-4 cups of oats in first few meals up to post workout meal..then greens till bed. Roughly 6-7 meals a day ...200+g protein..200+g carbs..I dont like fats..I take animal pack omega as an efa supplement.

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    If it going to do with anyways u might as well get solid advice so u don't fuck urself up. Erase will work as an ai but I don't believe it to be sufficient. Aromasin at 25mg Ed as well as caber or prami or prolactrone to keep the progesterone sides to a minimum from the deca. Since ur going to be running dbol it has a high chance of causing gyno so make sure u run an ai like aromasin i recommended. Also run it through ur pct at 25-25-12.5-12.5

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    No your numbers arent too extreme. And there are plenty of guys who started in their teens. But you probably dont really need AAS at all in all honesty. It takes many years to get bodybuilding right. From the diet, to the training, all that. I mean it literally takes years and years of fine tuning to figure it out. Ive been bodybuilding for 13 years and I still change stuff up based on what I feel works and doesnt work. And those changes like diet changes are going to give you more gains than AAS will. You should only take AAS if you plan on doing some sort of competition and youre already at a very good place naturally. Using gear to speed up the process or cheat gains isnt a great idea. Also as a teen or really anyone under like 25 your body and brain are still developing. Any change in hormones can affect a lot of future development.

    Like Jay Steel said your money is probably better spent on something like a trainer and food. Some guys are massive wealths of knowledge and can put you on a much better track for gains than youre currently on. And thats better than any anabolic. Steroids are only going to make you X percent bigger than you already are. You want to be big as you can possibly be before taking anything. If you MUST take something I would suggest doing what you already did again and taking very long breaks between cycles. Like 4-8 months. And not focusing your energy on the gear but on your training and diet. I think most people on here are going to tell you to wait. Ive only known a few jerk offs who say yea go for it to anyone including teens and those guys are always small waste of life drug addict types. I say wait too. Adding deca at this stage in the game...just not necessary. You might think it is and if you do it you will get bigger but you have to look at the big picture. Health risks, gyno, lower permanent testosterone, etc. And in my experience, and it could be B.S. but ive noticed teens who take AAS get gyno way easier than adults.

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    c3p0,
    I research online about diets and training for fun all of the time, but everytime I email someone they want a high amount of money for help...It seems impossible to get help from anyone without paying an amount of money that I wouldnt pay for someone else's advice on my OWN body..I know what has worked so far, and I would rather figure out what works best for me on my own, anyway. I appreciate the advice..I am debating on making my next cycle this or just high test with maybe dbol at the start..I have months to think about it, so I am open minded about this.

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    longworthb,
    thanks, I will keep this in mind if I run deca. If I dont I will probably not be as worried and keep Erase as AI.

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    The deca isn't the reason i recommended the ai. Dbol and test is enough to cause high estro. Erase isn't sufficient as an ai for these compounds

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    The caber prami and prolactrone are all for keeping progesterone down which can cause lactating nips and all kinds of sexual side effects ex limp dick.

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    longworthb,
    aromasin + caber on cycle
    pct - aromasin w nolva
    sounds better already

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybartley View Post
    longworthb,
    aromasin + caber on cycle
    pct - aromasin w nolva
    sounds better already
    If you cant find a cost effective trainer it might be a mute point. Training has changed a lot in the past decade. Ten years ago you could go to the gym and there would be some massive bodybuilder dude who did training and hed charge you like 35 dollars a session. Now those trainers dont hardly exist its gym paid guys and youre going to be paying 2-300 dollars a week sometimes it seems. And its not like you can just find some bodybuilder trainer and be like I only want you to show me what to do on back day because I havent figured it out they want like a plan, weeks, months, upfront.

    As far as your cycle my advice would be if youre going to do test + something else only do one thing. So do test + dbol or test + deca. I would say do like 600-700mgs of test alone for a second cycle though. Its obviously your choice. But make sure you know how things like prolactin works in great depth before deca.

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    Test/deca/dbol

    Aromasin is the best AI it really helps if nips get itchy. I run it at 12.5 Ed. And the caber is for steroids like deca tren and npp. Run the caber at .5 twice a week. And I'm pretty sure u shouldn't run any nolva with a 19nor compound. But someone can chime in and confirm

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    you just have to look bro, the ones that advertise are costly, but there are plenty of guys that are willing to run diets for 50-100 a month which would be the cost of your gear. i dropped the dose of my gear to be able to afford a trainer and my results are much better lower dose then it was when it was off the charts. Like i am talking about just by moving a few meals to different hours type stuff helped that much. The knowledge of diet is key. going into to gear is nothing to be taken lightly, right now i am having to take a shit more drugs just to try to have kids right now and ive only been using for 2 years. my sperm count is nothing lol. I have had high cholesterol, high bp, have had to donate blood due to platlete count increasing and ect. I monitor my blood levels pretty good and came to terms with my goals. This is where you have to be honest with your self. Maybe go to a good PH there are SOOO many legal things that are GREAT. I did PH when i was your age and was a monster 185 at 6% and 5 8. Unfortunitly i got burned out and partied for 6 years so now im playing catch up, but just be smart bro... your young and have sooo many years ahead of you to get jacked and huge. baby steps...

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