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^^ most supplements are unnecessary
....been there and tried it all.....
i am the kind who builds muscle if i sleep and after stopping all supplements at 52 i am building muscles as if i am 20.......
(the only thing that works are AAS and GH but then you are playing with fire and it is unhealthy),
sorry Kenny but gaining on steroids mean you have to stay on steroids otherwise all will be lost everybody knows that, cycling time after time is unhealthy average age of pro-bodybuilders is probably less than 50 although they are followed by doctors...but hell some are willing to take the risk + you have to constantly do tests etc... which is a pain and a waste of time when you can be doing more interesting things, i did it once but never saw the urge to do it gain, for me it is useless.Many supplements produce more hype than results. However, some deliver on their promise.
Creatine and caffeine are two supplements that enhance results and take one to the next level.
Individuals who are content with present level of fitness are not inclined to see any value in supplements that work. Those who want to push further appreciate their value.
Really, you have tried everything there is?
You're dilusional if you believe that at 52 that you are building muscle as if you were 20.
Anabolics are a medication. Like any medication, you need to not use it recklessly.
However, anabolics are not the monster they've been made out to be.
Kenny Croxdale
sorry Kenny but gaining on steroids mean you have to stay on steroids otherwise all will be lost everybody knows that,
cycling time after time is unhealthy average age of pro-bodybuilders is probably less than 50 although
they are followed by doctors...but hell some are willing to take the risk + you have to constantly do tests etc... which is a pain and a waste of time when you can be doing more interesting things, i did it once but never saw the urge to do it gain, for me it is useless.
and sorry again yes at 52 i am getting quite good results without any supplements perhaps not like in my 20's but surely comparable to others in their 20's if not better, i am the kind who gains muscle easily.
you are right about people being content with the slow progress will not be interested in supplements, and that is how it should be....everybody should be content , slow progress is the real deal, bodybuilding should never be about forced results and shortcuts unless someone is a pro which is again not a very smart job to be in.
unfortunately many take on bodybuilding for the wrong reasons and will go on using anything and believing anything just to get faster results.
I'm sure it is bullshit. Even if it's the real deal there is no reason to run out and buy it, because it will become the most popular supplement ever. Lots of new products claim greatness, then you never hear of them again...
Kenny i am not going to debate with you but if your really dig you will find that most pros have health problems example ronnie coleman, nasser el sombati died last month, etc....
the list is really too long ....
it is a very well known fact that long term use of steroids in probodybuilding leads to heart and arteries problems, liver problems and so on .....but some people are willing to take the risks so be it...
and research or not,
all muscle gains will be lost if not more otherwise pros will stop taking stuff after a while, we all have seen it all around us there are no need for proofs.
but again some like it, so be it, no need to be offended..
i tried it once and saw got very nice results with anavar only half a cycle but in the end i decided that it is not worth it at all,
^^ i believe he has serious liver problems and could be other organs not sure but he is i some kind of trouble , i hope not, don't ask me how do i know ..it is not from the internet and i won't tell how because of many reasons.
kenny i am an expert on training
but fortunately as you said i am no expert on using steroids that is because i am smart.
....most doctors expert on steroids are not steroid users i think
...so using steroids or not does not make you an expert on steroids...
in fact most steroid abusers are abusers because they ARE NO EXPERTS on steroids.
you cited one doctor but you have millions who say the opposite..this is not even a subject worth the debate,
facts are already established 100 years ago...
now comes a doctor here an article there funded by some steroid company will not change the facts. and i wish the subject stops there. this is not the subject of this thread.
As far as coleman is concerned i heard the man himself saying things about steroids that will really make some users think twice but i am not entitled to quote him by respect.
The subject here is about supplements and i personally think that most supplements are greatly overrated and are not necessary.
whatever you like kenny i have no time for a word by word analysis kind of debate
i have enough with that from my children .....
and i just don't think it is necessary and definitely not applicable from your side to insinuate that i am a liar.
Bodybuilding and supplements is not mathematics, it is a very subjective area where you can find many pros a cons for a given subject. i state my opinion and you state yours and the reader decides, so no need for sarcasm or insinuations.
and also no need to insult medical doctors in a general statement saying that they are morons with a god complex and know nothing about nutrition , exercise etc...
i have a few doctor friends who can give your Dr. Norm Fost some lessons in that subject,
generalizing like that is not appropriate from a man of your maturity.
Pulled straight from google! Please? Please enlighten us with any articles you've personally written pertaining to training or anything that was peer reviewed. Until then you remain a pseudo intellectual b.s artist. Oh and while you're at it post a few pics of your marvelous 52 better than a 20 year old physic. Thanks.OK getting back to this new supplement this Cis9-T11 is just a new brand of CLA (conjugated linoleic acid)
Cis9-T11 is one of the two main isomers present in CLA the other one being the T10-Cis12 form.
Cis9 -T11 is the isomer responsible for the anabolic effects of CLA while T10-Cis12 is the form responsible for its fat loss effects. In natural food sources the Cis9-T11 form is present in amounts up to 70 times higher than the other form but the processing of the oils to make purified supplements usually results in supplements containing equal amounts of the two forms.
The sales page for this new product doesn't contain any labelling information to say how much of each form is in it or even how much CLA is in each capsule (isn't that illegal?) but it seems unlikely that they have any new process to sell a purified Cis9-T11 form.
In summary looks like this is just another brand of CLA with some hyped up marketing.
By the way I actually do think CLA is a supplement worth using but it ISN'T going to give you steroid like results, here's an excerpt from my book on CLA -
conjugated linoleic acid for fat loss and building muscle
Pulled straight from google! Please? Please enlighten us with any articles you've personally written pertaining to training or anything that was peer reviewed. Until then you remain a pseudo intellectual b.s artist. Oh and while you're at it post a few pics of your marvelous 52 better than a 20 year old physic. Thanks.
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Hi Dave, that article is written by me personally, it's an extract from my published book on sport supplements. All the articles on the web site are also by me personally, I try and make all the articles science based and provide references to the studies at the end of most of the articles. Sorry I can't provide any photos of my 52 year old physique as I am not yet 52!!
Are you confusing me with the other poster in this thread Dr.G?
Similar user name but not me.
again whatever you want kenny, but as far as calling me " uneducated " i think i did not earn my title as Dr by reading articles on google.
medical doctors i know did not get their degrees with 6 hours of pharmacology and etc... they studied about 12 years if not more in college and wrote dozens of articles, the ones you educate yourself with on google.
Omiscient
Okay, so you are omiscient. A "God" of all things. That clearly tell us of your "God" complex. Thanks for clearing that up.
Unfortuntely, you a bit dilusional. Just because you have an expertise in one are doesn't mean you are an expert in another area.
You clearly have a limit knowledge of anabolics.
I continue to find it intersting that you are "not going to get into a debate" with me, yet you continue to argue you points. Semantics...you like to refine things in your terms.
Perhaps phrasing things in your own ling will work. I would think someone with you maturity would know better.
Medical doctors have more education and knowledge about pharmacueticals than pharmacist? Pharmacist are just over paid pill counters. Really???
Wow, your "God" complex is really kicking in.
Okay, let play. How many hours of formal education in pharmacology do you have? How many hours does the average MD have?
Here's the rules. "Because I said so" is NOT an real answer. I know that is a downer but hey sometimes you actually need to provide some of that hard core research article that you doctors pump out.
The reality is that YOUR personal knowledge about pharmaceuticals is limited. You have limited first hand experience, as per YOU.
You use vague statements and report you know things but CANNOT divluge HOW you know them. For someone who claims to be a scientist (medical doctor), one would think YOU would be able to quote book and verse.
However, you are a parrot that keep churping, "Because I said so...Because I am a doctor..."
Very few medical doctors have any idea about anaboics...or nutrition, physical therapy, exercise physiology, or pharmaceuticals.
Jack of All Trades...
Let me give you a clue. No one individual know everything.
The average GP medical doctor is a "Jack of all trades of medicine and master of NONE."
Also, just because a medical doctor is a specialist in one area it does NOT make them an expert in every area. Nothing in life works that way.
Plumber or Electrician
Medical specialist fall into one of two areas. Either they are "Plumbers" or "Electricians".
No one in their right mind is going to call a plumber to do electrical work at their house.
Since you are so recognized in this area, I am sure you should have NO problem in post your bio...right? But that not going to happen, is it. Evidently, I am psychic.
Kenny Croxdale
Yes that is what happened. My apologies as i certainly didnt mean to insult you or imply what that you're a pseudo anything. He however is a different story. I shall read read those articles on the site before making further judgements on you. Im going to have to pay closer attention in the future to screen names lol.
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