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    GEAR VETS!. Advice needed!

    Any and all advice appreciated

    So i am getting ready for my first proper "cycle" (2 Epi cycles and a SD cycle under my belt, with chem experience also) and have decided on a Test Prop/Tren Ace cycle.

    My stats are :
    25 years old
    8 years lifting exp
    6'2in
    220ish lbs
    11% BF

    now i know Tren is not advised for a first cycle, but I always seem to have very mild sides, no matter the substance.
    I have heard that a 2:1 ratio of tren/test helps reduce Tren sides (not sure of the validity of this) so I have my cycle set as follows:

    Weeks 1-10 Tren Ace 70mg ED
    Weeks 1-10 Test Prop 30mg ED
    Weeks 11-14 Clomid 40/20/10/10
    Weeks 11-14 Nolva 40/20/10/10

    Now a couple of questions.
    1) How often does Prolactin gyno from tren occur? I know its not estrogen related, but im not gyno prone anyway. I can get cabe if needed.
    2) Is HCG needed for on cycle?
    3) How are my doses?

    Any and all feedback appreciated. Thanks brothers.

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    Sounds like a good question for Heavy or the Donkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by charred99 View Post
    Any and all advice appreciated

    So i am getting ready for my first proper "cycle" (2 Epi cycles and a SD cycle under my belt, with chem experience also) and have decided on a Test Prop/Tren Ace cycle.

    My stats are :
    25 years old
    8 years lifting exp
    6'2in
    220ish lbs
    11% BF

    now i know Tren is not advised for a first cycle, but I always seem to have very mild sides, no matter the substance.
    I have heard that a 2:1 ratio of tren/test helps reduce Tren sides (not sure of the validity of this) so I have my cycle set as follows:

    Weeks 1-10 Tren Ace 70mg ED
    Weeks 1-10 Test Prop 30mg ED
    Weeks 11-14 Clomid 40/20/10/10
    Weeks 11-14 Nolva 40/20/10/10

    Now a couple of questions.
    1) How often does Prolactin gyno from tren occur? I know its not estrogen related, but im not gyno prone anyway. I can get cabe if needed.
    2) Is HCG needed for on cycle?
    3) How are my doses?

    Any and all feedback appreciated. Thanks brothers.
    Looks pretty good. I would start off with 50mg Ed of Tren A, you can always bump it up if the sides don't hit you too hard as high as 100mg ED. Are you married to the prop? I like cyp or E once or twice a week but that's just me. HCG is not needed but helps if you want to recover quicker when you come off.

    Hope that helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by charred99 View Post
    Any and all advice appreciated

    So i am getting ready for my first proper "cycle" (2 Epi cycles and a SD cycle under my belt, with chem experience also) and have decided on a Test Prop/Tren Ace cycle.

    My stats are :
    25 years old
    8 years lifting exp
    6'2in
    220ish lbs
    11% BF

    now i know Tren is not advised for a first cycle, but I always seem to have very mild sides, no matter the substance.
    I have heard that a 2:1 ratio of tren/test helps reduce Tren sides (not sure of the validity of this) so I have my cycle set as follows:

    Weeks 1-10 Tren Ace 70mg ED
    Weeks 1-10 Test Prop 30mg ED
    Weeks 11-14 Clomid 40/20/10/10
    Weeks 11-14 Nolva 40/20/10/10

    Now a couple of questions.
    1) How often does Prolactin gyno from tren occur? I know its not estrogen related, but im not gyno prone anyway. I can get cabe if needed.
    2) Is HCG needed for on cycle?
    3) How are my doses?

    Any and all feedback appreciated. Thanks brothers.
    1- not sure if anyone can quantify that question. I have run doses much larger then yours and never had any issue. but that may not be the case with you. I would grab some. an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
    2- for fertility and ease of PCT its a good idea. I have always been very successful with HCG mega dose blasts just before my PCT. but again thats my personal trial and error. the common practice is to take moderate doses ongoing throughout your cycle.
    3- they are ok for a first run. tren is typically a no-no for a new fella. also pinning ED for 10 weeks is fairly aggressive for a new guy. have you injected anything before? I preach the love of masteron. maybe trade masteron for tren and run a 70 mg of both?



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    Quote Originally Posted by charred99 View Post
    Any and all advice appreciated

    So i am getting ready for my first proper "cycle" (2 Epi cycles and a SD cycle under my belt, with chem experience also) and have decided on a Test Prop/Tren Ace cycle.

    My stats are :
    25 years old
    8 years lifting exp
    6'2in
    220ish lbs
    11% BF

    now i know Tren is not advised for a first cycle, but I always seem to have very mild sides, no matter the substance.
    I have heard that a 2:1 ratio of tren/test helps reduce Tren sides (not sure of the validity of this) so I have my cycle set as follows:

    Weeks 1-10 Tren Ace 70mg ED
    Weeks 1-10 Test Prop 30mg ED
    Weeks 11-14 Clomid 40/20/10/10
    Weeks 11-14 Nolva 40/20/10/10

    Now a couple of questions.
    1) How often does Prolactin gyno from tren occur? I know its not estrogen related, but im not gyno prone anyway. I can get cabe if needed.
    2) Is HCG needed for on cycle?
    3) How are my doses?

    Any and all feedback appreciated. Thanks brothers.
    Hefty first cycle, id drop the tren dose for a first time to 50mg eod. Theres no set occurrence of prolactin Gyno, some see it some don't. I'm sensitive to it and flares up in a week with tren, others don't at all. Get caber just in case and take small amount the whole cycle. Hcg is good but not needed, it just keeps testes at full size to make recovery easier. If you want It get it id not its ok.

    Agai. Id suggest probably 50mg of each of those every other day rather than what you laid out but its your call and your cycle, the 2:1 ratio Is just a platelet. No exact ratio at all, most keep test under 175 and they get no sides from tren. Its a trt dkse of 100-150 that people do foe low test high tren.

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    I agree with Jimmy, not sure if I would jump on the tren train so soon without more experience with inj. and also ED inj for a newbie gets old real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swfl View Post
    Looks pretty good. I would start off with 50mg Ed of Tren A, you can always bump it up if the sides don't hit you too hard as high as 100mg ED. Are you married to the prop? I like cyp or E once or twice a week but that's just me. HCG is not needed but helps if you want to recover quicker when you come off.

    Hope that helps
    Thanks man. I could try the Cyp, but from what ive read, Prop has the least water retintion, but the most pip. Even trade i guess. Im sure san AI will help with bloat also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charred99 View Post
    Thanks man. I could try the Cyp, but from what ive read, Prop has the least water retintion, but the most pip. Even trade i guess. Im sure san AI will help with bloat also.
    Prop has less bloat when running high doses. Which is not what your going for here, right? The purpose of the test is to keep hormones/ everything functioning properly because your nuts will be turned off. So this low dose will replace it and the tren does the work. You can go EOD on the tren and still be fine. I like 75-100 EOD I've ran up to 200day that was brutal for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieseljimmy View Post
    1- not sure if anyone can quantify that question. I have run doses much larger then yours and never had any issue. but that may not be the case with you. I would grab some. an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
    2- for fertility and ease of PCT its a good idea. I have always been very successful with HCG mega dose blasts just before my PCT. but again thats my personal trial and error. the common practice is to take moderate doses ongoing throughout your cycle.
    3- they are ok for a first run. tren is typically a no-no for a new fella. also pinning ED for 10 weeks is fairly aggressive for a new guy. have you injected anything before? I preach the love of masteron. maybe trade masteron for tren and run a 70 mg of both?
    Good point. mast is a fairly mild compound if i recall. I know tren is a rough compound. Im still pretty set on it but i will start my doses lower , or trade for mast prop. And i have used insulin syringes before, and set up about 25 IV's a day at work so im not too worried about injections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by collinb View Post
    Hefty first cycle, id drop the tren dose for a first time to 50mg eod. Theres no set occurrence of prolactin Gyno, some see it some don't. I'm sensitive to it and flares up in a week with tren, others don't at all. Get caber just in case and take small amount the whole cycle. Hcg is good but not needed, it just keeps testes at full size to make recovery easier. If you want It get it id not its ok.

    Agai. Id suggest probably 50mg of each of those every other day rather than what you laid out but its your call and your cycle, the 2:1 ratio Is just a platelet. No exact ratio at all, most keep test under 175 and they get no sides from tren. Its a trt dkse of 100-150 that people do foe low test high tren.

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    All right. Looks like im dropping tren dose (maybe trade for mast prop?) and picking up some prami. Thanks for the feedback brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charred99 View Post
    Thanks man. I could try the Cyp, but from what ive read, Prop has the least water retintion, but the most pip. Even trade i guess. Im sure san AI will help with bloat also.
    your not going to see much bloat from that amount of test. PIP is relative. I have had cyp that painful and prop that was painless. I wouldnt base a decision on PIP. most properly made gears pip is gone in day and its like a small bruise. nothing to base a decision on. oh by the way you know what also reduces bloat... you guessed it masteron! Im totally ghey for masteron,



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    Quote Originally Posted by charred99 View Post
    Thanks man. I could try the Cyp, but from what ive read, Prop has the least water retintion, but the most pip. Even trade i guess. Im sure san AI will help with bloat also.
    What retention bloast i dont buy into that shit.. If your diet is clean your good I am running 1200mg of test a blend of cyp and ent. I have ZERO bloat and getting leaner every week. I know guys that run a gram of test all the way up until 2 weeks before a show then drop it and they are not holding much water. When it comes down to the amount of water that is held sure there may be a small difference but I am just as lean now as I was 6 weeks out for my show and im on 3x the amount of test and eating massive carbs.

    If this was my first cycle i would just run test alone and if your worried about water toss in winny at the end to finish you off. but in all reality running test at 750 and a good AI will keep your water down and your gains coming strong. Tren is just harsh for a first cycle. I love it now, but I couldnt handle it when i did it on my second cycle. It fucked me up bad.

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    Tren for your first cycle awesome lol!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_steel View Post
    What retention bloast i dont buy into that shit.. If your diet is clean your good I am running 1200mg of test a blend of cyp and ent. I have ZERO bloat and getting leaner every week. I know guys that run a gram of test all the way up until 2 weeks before a show then drop it and they are not holding much water. When it comes down to the amount of water that is held sure there may be a small difference but I am just as lean now as I was 6 weeks out for my show and im on 3x the amount of test and eating massive carbs.

    If this was my first cycle i would just run test alone and if your worried about water toss in winny at the end to finish you off. but in all reality running test at 750 and a good AI will keep your water down and your gains coming strong. Tren is just harsh for a first cycle. I love it now, but I couldnt handle it when i did it on my second cycle. It fucked me up bad.
    All right. Guess ill take the advice of all in this thread. Guys know alot more than me haha. Ill drop the tren and trade for mast Maybe add winny at the end. Thanks alot.

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    wk 1-4
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    Test p 150mg eod
    Tren a 100mg eod

    Nothing beats test/tren

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