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    Senator Obama Sponsored Stand Your Ground Bill In Illinois

    President Obama may currently be calling on the states to review their respective ?stand your ground? gun laws, but he wasn?t always so opposed to the right-to-carry rule.

    In 2004, while a senator in Illinois, he co-sponsored legislation that allowed for the same rights.

    The pertinent legislation was SB 2386, amending the criminal code of 1961. It was introduced in the 93rd General Assembly session and passed into law on July 28, 2004.

    The text summary read: ?Provides that it is an affirmative defense to a violation of a municipal ordinance that prohibits, regulates or restricts the private ownership of firearms if the individual who is charged with the violation used the firearm in an act of self-defense or defense of another. Effective immediately.?

    The Illinois General Assembly website indicates then-Sen. Obama signed on as a co-sponsor on March 25, 2004.

    Fast-forward to 2013, post-acquittal of Florida resident George Zimmerman, and Mr. Obama is now denouncing the very same laws he once supported.

    [link to m.washingtontimes.com]

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    While I recognize your distain for president, and share some of your sentiments. It could just be that he changed his mind. I change my mind all the time, he is after all just a man.

    And a more direct question to you as a fellow Illinois resident. Can we concealed carry now? They have made this so confussing. My understanding is that with a 15 hour gun safety class gets you an additional permit to carry... is that correct?



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    I dont think its been passed yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUZO View Post
    I dont think its been passed yet
    It seems like the media is trying to confuse us out of taking action...



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    and this post validates my point about the sheep being easily distracted by the mainstream media...
    William F. Buckley describes a conservative as, "someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop." - and then proceeds to drag civilization back to times best left in history's dungheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    and this post validates my point about the sheep being easily distracted by the mainstream media...
    baaaaah

    seriously I have been interested in this. as I work in chicago in some rather questionable areas. If your familiar with chicago recently the gun violence is really heavy. I would really be a good canididate for having a weapon on me. and Im not a gun nut. I dont want one to feel better about myself. I want one for legit safety issues. so I have been following this story with passive interest. but the media will not give a straight story.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dieseljimmy View Post
    bso I have been following this story with passive interest. but the media will not give a straight story.
    exactly...when is anything truly learned from mainstream media? you can't learn anything of value from propaganda. it only does one thing and that is to elicit an emotional reaction which hampers the critical thinking process.
    William F. Buckley describes a conservative as, "someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop." - and then proceeds to drag civilization back to times best left in history's dungheap.

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    I am all for gun rights, but if you are going to carry that gun you need to take in some factors such as don't pursue activities that may increase your chances of needing to escalate to the point of standing your ground...


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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    I am all for gun rights, but if you are going to carry that gun you need to take in some factors such as don't pursue activities that may increase your chances of needing to escalate to the point of standing your ground...


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    exactly...
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    Sometimes just sitting at home shit escalates to the point you need to stand your ground.

    Georgia Mom Hiding With Kids, Shoots Intruder - ABC News
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    Sometimes just sitting at home shit escalates to the point you need to stand your ground.

    Georgia Mom Hiding With Kids, Shoots Intruder - ABC News
    Perfectly justified. Although here in Hawaii the mother would have to prove that her life and that of her kids was in jeopardy, even in her own home, which is BS. Your home is your Castle and you should be able to defend it from any perceived threat, maybe her life might not have been in jeopardy, maybe the guy would have left as soon as he realized someone was home. Still her and the kids future sense of security in their own home was in jeopardy and that shouldn't be infringed upon as much as their lives shouldn't be. Life and well-being are at stake when someone intrudes into the sanctuary of your home and I wish Hawaii would amend its laws to include such.


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    Also the article says she shot him in the face and neck, but was being treated for multiple punctures in the liver, stomach, lungs...???... That must've been some car crash if his bullet wounds were less severe than his crash injuries which left punctures in his torso...


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    The trouble with shooting an intruder in your own home only comes after you call the police. Chances are, no one but you were aware of their presence. Just hack them up on some trash bags and run the parts down the garbage disposal
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    Illinois Concealed Carry Permits, Specific Regulations And Other Details On Deck Following New Law


    Illinois Concealed Carry Permits, Specific Regulations And Other Details On Deck Following New Law Posted: 07/10/2013 12:28 pm EDT | Updated: 07/10/2013 2:51 pm EDT




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    Gun rights supporters notched a victory Tuesday after Illinois lawmakers shot down Gov. Pat Quinn's veto of concealed carry legislation on the same day the state hit its court-mandated deadline to end the long-standing ban on concealed weapons.
    Though concealed carry is now legal in the Land of Lincoln, would-be permit holders will need to fill out applications, pay some fees, take training courses ? and exercise lots of patience.
    (See below for a breakdown of restrictions, timelines and more info on Illinois' new concealed carry.)
    Concealed carry permits won't likely be issued until 2014, according to the Tribune. The delay is on account of the miles of bureaucratic red tape lawmakers have yet to wade through before any Illinoisan can discreetly pack heat.
    With the law enacted, details of what comprises the actual concealed carry permit must still be hammered out. Additionally, local ordinances are still being determined and privately-owned areas like grocery stores and movie theaters will mull whether to restrict weapons or not and police have long months of wading through an anticipated flood of firearms applications ahead of them.
    Out-of-state permit holders looking to jump the line are out of luck, too: Illinois' law does not allow for reciprocity, meaning an Iowan with a concealed carry permit cannot legally carry in Illinois until she or he secures an Illinois concealed carry permit.
    CONCEALED CARRY ON LOCAL LEVELS:Chicago officials are hoping to move quick and tighten local ordinances. The suburbs, meanwhile, have ten days to determine if they want to make concealed carry laws stricter by banning assault weapons within their borders.

    As lawmakers scramble to get permits, new language and other regulations in order on schedule with the language of the law, political wags are likely to keep close track of which lawmakers continue to be pro and anti-gun -- particularly in the ever-crowding 2014 gubernatorial race.

    CHICAGO:
    Mayor Rahm Emanuel voiced his dismay over the state legislature's decision Tuesday, and the Sun-Times reports without the stricter state-wide rules, Emanuel plans to push ahead with three priorities:

    • Revising and strengthening an assault weapons ban expected to be approved by the City Council next week
    • Comprehensive background check prior to gun purchases
    • Tougher prison sentences for gun crimes and time served

    SUBURBS:
    According to the new law, towns with more than 25,000 people can enact local rules similar to Cook County's assault weapons ban, the Daily Herald reports.
    WHERE CONCEALED CARRY IS STILL BANNED:
    Under the new law, concealed weapons will still be banned in areas like schools, parks, government facilities, buses and trains (including CTA and Metra), bars or restaurants where the sale of booze accounts for more than 50 percent of the business.
    As the Tribune notes, a flurry of amendments to the state's concealed carry law are likely to crop up as lawmakers determine nitty gritty of details like how to define "mostly" in the law's language that weapons must be "concealed or mostly concealed from public view."

    CONCEALED CARRY TIMELINE:
    According to the Illinois State Police, starting July 9:

    • ISP have 180 days to make concealed carry applications available to the public (applications will be provided via the ISP website)
    • New concealed carry licenses will be issued 90 days after a qualified application is submitted; ISP has 30 days to file an objection to any application
    • ISP has 60 days to approve firearms instructors and training courses for permit-seekers

    COST, LIMITS, RESTRICTIONS:
    In addition to cost ($150 for a 5-year-permit for state residents, $300 for out-of-state residents), pre-requisites (permit holders must also have a valid FOID card) and education requirements (nothing less than a high school diploma or GED), the ISP outlines the additional barriers to securing a permit.
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