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    Harvard Study: No Correlation Between Gun Control and Less Violent Crime

    Harvard Study: No Correlation Between Gun Control and Less Violent Crime

    Because the findings so clearly demonstrate that more gun laws may in fact increase death rates, the study says that "the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths" is wrong.
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    Nothing........really? What happened to to all the guns = crimes guys out there?
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    violent crime is higher in places with high rates of concentrated urban poverty, higher in places with high rates of inequality and social justice.

    more guns doesn't stop the US from turning into Mexico 2
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    violent crimes are highest where there are lots of blacks (not racist, because it's true)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Donkey View Post
    violent crimes are highest where there are lots of blacks (not racist, because it's true)
    violent crime is highest anywhere in the world were there is concentrated urban poverty. as income goes up the level of violent crimes go down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    Nothing........really? What happened to to all the guns = crimes guys out there?
    They only share their opinion, they don't actually know anything about the subject.

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    I think all you have to do is look at the correlation between gun laws in the top 20 highest crime areas versus the violent crime rate. That seems to me to be a pretty solid indicator if "gun control" does anything at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    violent crime is highest anywhere in the world were there is concentrated urban poverty. as income goes up the level of violent crimes go down.
    Even in white populations? Serious question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    more guns doesn't stop the US from turning into Mexico 2
    It does if you use the guns to kill the Mexicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    It does if you use the guns to kill the Mexicans.
    according to the economic reports from the global think-tank the Club of Rome the avg US autoworker in 2052 will be earning wages equal to those in 1960 once adjusted for inflation.

    that has nothing at all to do with illegals/immigrants as they are not causing cumulative inflation on the USD at 25% a decade. since 1913 cumulative inflation on the USD is 2300%, that is thanks to the FED and it's monetary policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    according to the economic reports from the global think-tank the Club of Rome the avg US autoworker in 2052 will be earning wages equal to those in 1960 once adjusted for inflation.

    that has nothing at all to do with illegals/immigrants as they are not causing cumulative inflation on the USD at 25% a decade. since 1913 cumulative inflation on the USD is 2300%, that is thanks to the FED and it's monetary policy.
    Nothing? You mean that supply and demand has no effect on wages? Someone should have told that the British during the Black Plague.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Nothing? You mean that supply and demand has no effect on wages? Someone should have told that the British during the Black Plague.
    your trying to use 1800's economic "theory" in the year 2013. wage price mechanisms no longer follow "economic theory" models of growth/deflation not when you have fiat currency's and artificially low interest rates out of the central bank.

    the monetization of the US economy has changed all of the fundamentals. business use their own form of money which is credit, it is only denominated in USDs. the primary form of money used by labor to purchase goods and service is currency money which loses it's purchasing power steadily over time as the monetary base expands.
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    Pretty much everybody here knows I'm a very hard core 2nd Amendment supporter and I'm a big fan of Breitbart too but, I'd caution against putting too much stock in that "study". In the first place it wasn't conducted by Harvard, it was simply published in one of their journals. In the second place, it's not so much of a formal study as it is an opinion piece by two highly educated and experienced criminologists. I definitely like thier opinion but, that doesn't give the paper any more credibility. Lastly, is the careful use of the word "corrolate". Some on my side of the argument have mistakenly tried to use this Breitbart article and refernced paper to assert that stricter gun control laws CAUSE more crime. That's not what the paper says. You have to remember that "cause" and "corrolate" are not synonyms.

    The bottom line is that I agree with the opinions put forth in the paper and I like how well they're backed up with hard statistics but, they're still just opinions.
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    And there is the rub. It's backed by hard statistics. No, I don't think stricter gun control causes crime. I'll even concede to Lam the correlation between poverty and crime, however poverty isn't going anywhere. Poverty has been a fact of life regardless of economic model throughout the history of time. With that, knowing there will always be poverty, i'd rather a population be armed, and have the correlated fall in crime, than have an unarmed population where the criminals have free reign to exploit those most impoverished.

    My disagreement with LAM is that just because someone is poor it doesn't mean they have to play a victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALBOB View Post
    The bottom line is that I agree with the opinions put forth in the paper and I like how well they're backed up with hard statistics but, they're still just opinions.
    I didn't read the entire paper so I'm not sure what opinions you are referring to but statistical correlation is not opinion. A literature review stating previous research has failed to show a correlation is also not an opinion, it's an objective statement that is either true or not. In the case of something like gun control if it does cause less violent crime then there should be a correlation and therefore it is meaningful that this correlation has not been found. In other words, if gun control has a significant effect then it should be possible to find it.

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