Sen. Roberts: Sebelius Must Resign for 'Disastrous' Obamacare Rollout

[FUZO]

Kathleen Sebelius Pt. 1 - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/07/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central


After watching this anyone with common sense will now know this health Obama care sucks and she couldnt answer Jon stewarts basic question why does big business get a break and individuals dont and will get fined.She doesnt even know how many peole enrolled because she is full of shit.She is a complete idiot

[Bowden]

Kathleen Sebelius Pt. 1 - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/07/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central


After watching this anyone with common sense will now know this health Obama care sucks and she couldnt answer Jon stewarts basic question why does big business get a break and individuals dont and will get fined.She doesnt even know how many peole enrolled because she is full of shit.She is a complete idiot

Ok Obamacare sucks.
What is the alternative to providing health care insurance to the working poor and unemployed people that cannot afford to buy it and that insurance companies will not insure due to preexisting conditions?

Do you really think that private for profit insurance companies are going to compete with each other to provide free health care insurance to the working poor that cannot afford to pay the premiums and insure preexisting conditions?

What are the alternatives to Obamacare?

Send them to the emergency room for expensive medical treatment which drives up health care costs for everyone due to health care providers shifting uninsured costs to insured patients?
Ignore the fact that children of the working poor and unemployed uninsured get sick and need healthcare?
Put them on another government taxpayer funded program like Medicaid?
Let them die from disease and decrease the surplus population?

[LAM]

Kathleen Sebelius Pt. 1 - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/07/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central


After watching this anyone with common sense will now know this health Obama care sucks and she couldnt answer Jon stewarts basic question why does big business get a break and individuals dont and will get fined.She doesnt even know how many peole enrolled because she is full of shit.She is a complete idiot

but LMI households and small business with less than 25 employees do get a break, and the self-employed if they earn under a certain amount can apply for subsidies.

ObamaCare Mandate: Exemption and Tax Penalty

[Presser]

Ok Obamacare sucks... ...shifting uninsured costs to insured patients?

That's exactly what's happening, the uninsured that can't afford insurance are being subsidized (PAID FOR) by the government (TAXPAYERS).

Umm, healthcare is not a god given right, its not even in the bill of rights.

WHy the fuck should I be paying for someone else's healthcare???

[Bowden]

That's exactly what's happening, the uninsured that can't afford insurance are being subsidized (PAID FOR) by the government (TAXPAYERS).

Umm, healthcare is not a god given right, its not even in the bill of rights.

WHy the fuck should I be paying for someone else's healthcare???

The uninsured are being paid for by heath care providers cost shifting from uninsured to insured patients.
When they go to an emergency room, hospitals and health care providers do not bill the government for their care.
They compensate for it by financial engineering aka. cost shifting from the uninsured to the insured.
You and everyone else that is insured are paying for their health care indirectly in the form of increased health care insurance premiums and health care costs.
This cost shifting takes the form of higher insurance premiums and increased health care costs for the insured.

As well you pay higher taxes to fund uninsured health care costs.
Local governments increase property and sales tax rates to fund social services for uninsured people.
If you own property look carefully at the property tax statement you get from the county and if you live in a city local governments as to breakdown of government budget percentages allocated to 'social services'.

[Bowden]

That's exactly what's happening, the uninsured that can't afford insurance are being subsidized (PAID FOR) by the government (TAXPAYERS).

Umm, healthcare is not a god given right, its not even in the bill of rights.

WHy the fuck should I be paying for someone else's healthcare???

So what is the solution?
When they get sick don't treat them, let them die and decrease the surplus population?

[LAM]

WHy the fuck should I be paying for someone else's healthcare???

your paying for it either way, empirical data clearly shows that people with lifetime access to healthcare have less health problems later in life. a small percentage of unhealthy people amount for the vast majority of healthcare expenses. it's about preventing illness in the later years which in turn reduces total healthcare expenditures.

and if you part of the population that gets a federal tax return then you aren't paying anything for anyone.

[Zaphod]

That's exactly what's happening, the uninsured that can't afford insurance are being subsidized (PAID FOR) by the government (TAXPAYERS).

Umm, healthcare is not a god given right, its not even in the bill of rights.

WHy the fuck should I be paying for someone else's healthcare???

It is a God given right. Especially for the richest nation in the world. Go read the 9th Amendment.

[Little Wing]

yeaaaa buddy. if i signed that many clients on in week one i'd be so sad.

[Swiper]

It is a God given right. Especially for the richest nation in the world. Go read the 9th Amendment.

LMAO! you never seize to amaze me, Z.


Do we also have a right to housing, food & clothes?

[Swiper]

Kathleen Sebelius Pt. 1 - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/07/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central


After watching this anyone with common sense will now know this health Obama care sucks and she couldnt answer Jon stewarts basic question why does big business get a break and individuals dont and will get fined.She doesnt even know how many peole enrolled because she is full of shit.She is a complete idiot

how ironic, Comedy central. lol

[Zaphod]

LMAO! you never seize to amaze me, Z.


Do we also have a right to housing, food & clothes?

Yes, we do. Have you read the 9th amendment?

[Swiper]

Yes, we do. Have you read the 9th amendment?

wow, you're a radical. you and LW should get together for a talk. you two seem to have the same radical views on govt.





yes, i have read it. care to explain it as you interpret it?

i didn't see health care, housing or food in there. correct me if i'm wrong, but they had health care, food and housing back then when the Constitution was written, right? why not just put that in there?

have you read article one section 8 and the 10 amendment of the US Constitution, never mind don't answer because if you did you'd understand what powers congress has.

here you go.



SECTION 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.


AMENDMENT X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

[Zaphod]

Thank you for quoting the 10th amendment.

The 9th amendment says: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

That means we have more rights than those specifically called out for in the Constitution and the fact that not every right spelled out does not mean those rights do not exist.

[Swiper]

Thank you for quoting the 10th amendment.

The 9th amendment says: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

That means we have more rights than those specifically called out for in the Constitution and the fact that not every right spelled out does not mean those rights do not exist.

I think i see what you're getting at. we already have the right to heath care. no one is stopping any one from purchasing health care. so what's your issue?

you think healthcare is a natural right? natural rights come from our humanity not the govt. the right to defend ourselves, to speak our thoughts, the right to our property, the right to be left alone, the right to warship, the right to life ect. those are natural rights. health care is a product/service, not a natural right. we already have the right to purchase heath care.