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    Expert opinion

    just about to put in my order and want to get the OK from an expert on my first cycle order so i know i have everything i need for 8-10 week cycle plus PCT

    2 Test Enanthate 300mg/ml
    arimadex 60mg
    6 HCG - 5000iu vial
    clomid 50mg - total 2450mg



    i dont need 2 vials of test but my ml would be close to empty if i went to 10 weeks.... how do you get every last drop out?

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    How much test are you planning on running weekly? Why not add in some nolvadex to run with the clomid during pct?

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    I assume you want to do 600mg per wk that is why you only have 2 vials?

    I would just get extra, don't cut yourself short

    Plus some vials don't have exactly 10ml in it...some have more...some have less...but you never know until you draw from each vial
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    Quote Originally Posted by sardis23 View Post
    How much test are you planning on running weekly? Why not add in some nolvadex to run with the clomid during pct?
    i was going to run 600 1-4 800 5-8 1000 9-10 .....iv just been going offf what i researched and this is from the sticky "first cycle plus pct" "There is some evidence that adding Nolva to an AI does not increase the effectiveness of estro control therefore Nolva has no real advantage alongside an AI unless one is experiencing gyno. Additionally Nolva has been shown to reduce IGF-1 and GH levels when used alone. This is not a big deal on cycle as testosterone increases IGF-1 in a dose dependant relationship. However off cycle this is a problem. PCT is a fragile time and lower IGF-1 and GH levels is not desirable. I am recommending an AI that is specific to men that can be used on cycle and during PCT."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogz View Post
    I assume you want to do 600mg per wk that is why you only have 2 vials?

    I would just get extra, don't cut yourself short

    Plus some vials don't have exactly 10ml in it...some have more...some have less...but you never know until you draw from each vial
    each vial is 25ml but good point on maybe not having exact amount.... i think were allowed to abbreviate so test is MP and everything else is BD

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    is 6 vials of hcg 5000 necessary and iv read conflicting infromation on hcg on dosage some say dont use on cycle only use with pct so here is my cycle and is straight from the sticky fist cycle and pct

    Week 1-5 600mg Testosterone weekly
    Week 6-8 800mg Testosterone weekly
    Week 9-10 1 gram Testosterone weekly


    10 mg Aromasin daily with the goal of keeping Estradiol between 10pg/ml-25pg/ml. Only blood work can confirm if you are in this range.

    500iu HCG twice weekly.



    Post Cycle therapy
    Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day. (You may use less HCG if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG etd.)

    100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3 after aas ester clears)

    20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

    3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses

    10g creatine daily


    and the pct should be enough to keep the gyno away

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    Sorry to spam my own post but i have questions ...... i have got the hcg figured out ... im just confused on the clomid .... it says weeks 1-3 after ester clears so i only take hcg for first 3 weeks of pct ( with aromasin) then drop it if my levels are good then add the clomid for 3 weeks after that ? so no clomid for first 3 weeks of pct ? cause it says there is 4 weeks of clomid dosing above lol i may be thinking to hard or maybe not ebough

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    I wouldn't bother with HCG for test e only

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    500-600mg per week for 12 weeks is a good first cycle.
    what are your stats?
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    Keep test at 500-600 for about 12 weeks. Also run aromasin up until pct but not during.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    500-600mg per week for 12 weeks is a good first cycle.
    what are your stats?
    so no reason to get crazy and pyramid

    IM 24 years old

    195 pounds

    17% bf

    training 2 years serious

    is that what you wanted for stats

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    Quote Originally Posted by heckler7 View Post
    I wouldn't bother with HCG for test e only
    what you you recommend the cycle look like ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sardis23 View Post
    Keep test at 500-600 for about 12 weeks. Also run aromasin up until pct but not during.
    what do i use for pct then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlagrassa333 View Post
    so no reason to get crazy and pyramid

    IM 24 years old

    195 pounds

    17% bf

    training 2 years serious

    is that what you wanted for stats
    I would use 500mgs per week and aromasin at 12.5mgs per day ED.
    eat proper nutrition, that includes good fat, high protein and complex carbs
    1 gallon+ water per day and cardio as needed
    liv 52 daily

    Keep it simple and grow
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    Quote Originally Posted by sardis23 View Post
    Keep test at 500-600 for about 12 weeks. Also run aromasin up until pct but not during.

    im takin arimadex not aromasin and that would be .5mg daily of arimidrex sorry i couldnt get my hands on anything else

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlagrassa333 View Post
    im takin arimadex not aromasin and that would be .5mg daily of arimidrex sorry i couldnt get my hands on anything else
    Okay just run the adex with the cycle all the way up to pct. For pct I would use a combo of clomid 100/50/50/50 and nolva 40/40/20/20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    I would use 500mgs per week and aromasin at 12.5mgs per day ED.
    eat proper nutrition, that includes good fat, high protein and complex carbs
    1 gallon+ water per day and cardio as needed
    liv 52 daily

    Keep it simple and grow
    ok alot of the stuff i read try to make it so complicated

    so ill take it simple my first cycle what do i use for pct for the 4 weeks after

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    Quote Originally Posted by sardis23 View Post
    Okay just run the adex with the cycle all the way up to pct. For pct I would use a combo of clomid 100/50/50/50 and nolva 40/40/20/20.
    awesome do you agree HF03 no offense sardis23 you have a new account like me ... not sayin you dont know ur shit i would just like a second opinion

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    Hey no problem. Just recently found the site, usually stay over at 'ology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sardis23 View Post
    Hey no problem. Just recently found the site, usually stay over at 'ology.
    ya i see alot of the same users over there too... thanks

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    you want to use aromasin, it is a suicide inhibitor.
    Aromatase is an enzyme that synthesizes estrogen. Aromatase inhibitors block the synthesis of estrogen. This lowers the estrogen level. This is better that adex, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    you want to use aromasin, it is a suicide inhibitor.
    Aromatase is an enzyme that synthesizes estrogen. Aromatase inhibitors block the synthesis of estrogen. This lowers the estrogen level. This is better that adex, imo.
    dont have a source for it

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    got it ordered
    2 Test Enanthate 300mg/ml clomid 50mg
    liquid oral nolvadex 20mg/ml in 60ml vial
    60 25mg aromasin

    thanks for the help guys



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    your fine with adex. People are overthinking this big time...

    600mg test
    .5 adec
    40 nolva ( there is no reason to run that much pct like some one said to run clomid and nolva together) I run my cycle about 4 times harder then this and wouldnt even run a PCT that hard. Nolva is fine and toss in HCG at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_steel View Post
    your fine with adex. People are overthinking this big time...

    600mg test
    .5 adec
    40 nolva ( there is no reason to run that much pct like some one said to run clomid and nolva together) I run my cycle about 4 times harder then this and wouldnt even run a PCT that hard. Nolva is fine and toss in HCG at the end.
    well i just changed my order to what i posted last.... is there anything bad that could come from a pct with the clomid and nolva together. i didnt order any hcg is it a must to have for pct? ill know if i need the hcg right? or should i just order some to have on hand? what would the dosing look like with HCG

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    there is no point to run both PCT waste of money and clomid is so hard on you. The only point i see to run clomid is if your running a 19 nor which your not. Nolva is plenty strong enough period even for some of the biggest cycles. HCG will speed up the natural test production faster by tricking your body that it is producing LH. Do what you want though but its a waste and clomid is pretty harsh and legit clomid fucks with your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_steel View Post
    there is no point to run both PCT waste of money and clomid is so hard on you. The only point i see to run clomid is if your running a 19 nor which your not. Nolva is plenty strong enough period even for some of the biggest cycles. HCG will speed up the natural test production faster by tricking your body that it is producing LH. Do what you want though but its a waste and clomid is pretty harsh and legit clomid fucks with your head.
    ok ill drop the clomid and pick up some hcg.... could i get by with 10,000 iu of hcg with pct.... or is it not going to make much of a difference

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    i run 2000 first day then 1000 e3d until test levels are back up. so you may need 1500 hcg is cheap any ways if you want the REAL shit get HMG but your looking at $$$ $$$ $$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_steel View Post
    i run 2000 first day then 1000 e3d until test levels are back up. so you may need 1500 hcg is cheap any ways if you want the REAL shit get HMG but your looking at $$$ $$$ $$$
    ok almost exactly what was stated in the pct sticky thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    you want to use aromasin, it is a suicide inhibitor.
    Aromatase is an enzyme that synthesizes estrogen. Aromatase inhibitors block the synthesis of estrogen. This lowers the estrogen level. This is better that adex, imo.
    lol no..

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