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    Hello, I've been on hrt for a couple years. I recently got a bottle of test cyp from a friend who got it from his buddy who "supposedly" owns a clinic. He said the test was pharm grade. I started taking it 2 weeks ago 1.5 cc a week and since I have lost my libido I have no drive to anything I don't want to train or anything. So I'm guessing its fake. My question is I'm going to get blood work tomorrow just for my test levels. Around what should they be to determine if its real or not. I took my last shot Sunday. Thanks Klutch

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    If your levels come above range that is one way...if that is the only test you are taking

    Also, the only real way to find out if you do one of the protocols in the stickies under the lab testing forum
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    What is the cyp dosed at? 200mg/mL?

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    1.5 ml ? But how many mg per ml is the test cyp ? Was the bottle labeled ?
    All you need to look for in your bloods for now is total test numbers and Estradiol, if that doesnt reveal it you can dig further but Im guessing those two tests will give you your answer.

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    Yes it's 200 mg.. I took free and total test today.. I'll know in a couple days what my levels are

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    and did you get estro in there too ? I hope

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    ^^if the test levels come in high, why would he need E2 levels to see if the test is legit?

    Also, for that amount of test he's taking I would not worry about E2 levels
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    Free test will tell everything....total with no e2 reading means little...

    OP....you posted you are on hrt.....what are you taking and were you taking it up to or into this 2 weeks of cyp use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogz View Post
    ^^if the test levels come in high, why would he need E2 levels to see if the test is legit?

    Also, for that amount of test he's taking I would not worry about E2 levels
    The reason I suggest E2 is because he complained of lethargy, which could be caused by either high estro or even low estro. If his test is bunk and hes been taking an AI his estro could very well be in the dirt. Estro is cheap enough to get tested and I find it often reveals a lot as far as mood ,energy, sex drive, and desire to work out. Test isnt everything , estro really needs to be checked too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviceAAS View Post
    The reason I suggest E2 is because he complained of lethargy, which could be caused by either high estro or even low estro. If his test is bunk and hes been taking an AI his estro could very well be in the dirt. Estro is cheap enough to get tested and I find it often reveals a lot as far as mood ,energy, sex drive, and desire to work out. Test isnt everything , estro really needs to be checked too.
    Riddle me this....I also have the same symptoms as OP...always tired and no libido at all

    I just had bloods done last wk and my e2 came back at 68.3 out of a range of 7.6 - 42.6

    I was in wk6 of a test/tne/dbol cycle...test around 800mg per wk and dbol 40mg ed

    My e2 is not too high or in the toilet, but just about right for the amount of gear I am on...

    OP is on a low amount of test per wk and his e2 should not be a problem but yes, bloods is the only way to tell, but I think its all in his head as it is in my case as well
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    Dbol could be the issue...at 6 weeks your about in that time frame were liver toxicity could be problematic....maybe just up your water by 2 and see how ya feel....
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    bulldogz

    Agreed, it can be a vexing situation, and although its possible to have these issues in our heads I think its far more likely our hormones are in flux . Blood tests are the best indicator but as you point out not every answer comes from them. Even though you arent on a progestin Id still get that checked, you could still have an issue there.
    Funny my symptoms with high E are still a desire to have sex, but poor function, still a desire to work out but low on strength.
    my symptoms on high prolactin are no desire to look at porn or have sex, pop a viagra get hard but cant be bothered with the effort, plus no desire to work out.

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    S2h I have been cruising 1cc a week since feb with no break I started 1.5cc 5-7 weeks ago i miss one week of injection before changing cyps. I started the new cyp since 10-20-13 so I'm guessing if its real I should be close 1200 range on test

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    Quote Originally Posted by s2h View Post
    Dbol could be the issue...at 6 weeks your about in that time frame were liver toxicity could be problematic....maybe just up your water by 2 and see how ya feel....
    Liver values came back high last wk but same as previous cycles...

    I also drink tons of water while on an oral and feel extremely bloated as it is

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    Agreed, it can be a vexing situation, and although its possible to have these issues in our heads I think its far more likely our hormones are in flux . Blood tests are the best indicator but as you point out not every answer comes from them. Even though you arent on a progestin Id still get that checked, you could still have an issue there.
    Funny my symptoms with high E are still a desire to have sex, but poor function, still a desire to work out but low on strength.
    my symptoms on high prolactin are no desire to look at porn or have sex, pop a viagra get hard but cant be bothered with the effort, plus no desire to work out.
    I already got bloodwork done last wk and only thing I can think of is ED, I do want to workout and can stay at the gym for at least 2hrs but my desire for sex is gone
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogz View Post
    Liver values came back high last wk but same as previous cycles...

    I also drink tons of water while on an oral and feel extremely bloated as it is



    I already got bloodwork done last wk and only thing I can think of is ED, I do want to workout and can stay at the gym for at least 2hrs but my desire for sex is gone
    Bulldog, are you using an ai? Which one? How was your sex drive when you started the cycle. Age?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    Bulldog, are you using an ai? Which one? How was your sex drive when you started the cycle. Age?
    I'm 38 and I am using an AI and it's dragon pharma adex, 1mg ed...

    First time ever using adex, so it maybe the adex causing my issue as my sex drive before cycle was on point, meaning good
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogz View Post
    I'm 38 and I am using an AI and it's dragon pharma adex, 1mg ed...

    First time ever using adex, so it maybe the adex causing my issue as my sex drive before cycle was on point, meaning good
    Switch to aromasin, it also has the ability to increase free test levels. I dont do well with adex either. I also think as we get older the hormonal window gets smaller when it comes to libido. You need to get your e2 down for sure.
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    I was also thinking some proviron . Try 50 mg a day and see how you feel in a week.

    Still though that no desire thing sure reminds me of a prolactin issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    Switch to aromasin, it also has the ability to increase free test levels. I dont do well with adex either. I also think as we get older the hormonal window gets smaller when it comes to libido. You need to get your e2 down for sure.
    I will say this...in the past while running exemestane everything was in order even if e2 came in a little high but libido and all was good

    Glad I have it on hand, thanks brotha!

    Quote Originally Posted by NoviceAAS View Post
    I was also thinking some proviron . Try 50 mg a day and see how you feel in a week.

    Still though that no desire thing sure reminds me of a prolactin issue.
    I do well on a 19-nor compounds....meaning sex drive good but just need test for that extra push and I doubt its prolactin and I am not gonna look for proviron at this point either
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klutch View Post
    S2h I have been cruising 1cc a week since feb with no break I started 1.5cc 5-7 weeks ago i miss one week of injection before changing cyps. I started the new cyp since 10-20-13 so I'm guessing if its real I should be close 1200 range on test
    Labs will tell...what's your AI type and dose?...did you use the AI during the week break?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogz View Post
    I will say this...in the past while running exemestane everything was in order even if e2 came in a little high but libido and all was good

    Glad I have it on hand, thanks brotha!



    I do well on a 19-nor compounds....meaning sex drive good but just need test for that extra push and I doubt its prolactin and I am not gonna look for proviron at this point either
    Little word of caution with aromasin.....as men age over 40 obviously we convert more test to estrogen as the aromatase enzymes increase in our bodies...

    A few years back I required 25mg ed of aromasin to run a gram to 1.5 g a week of test...this kept my e2 at around 20-25...since have been on trt for 12ish years I have bounced between adex and aromasin from time to time...

    Well I stuck with the aromasin perma I guess about 2-3 yes ago...at first all was good....but after a year or so I had too start lowering my aromasin dose as my e2 was getting too low...

    Flash forward....running 1g a week of sustanon only require me to take 12.5mg 3x ew the day after I inject...so I went from 25mg ed to 37.5mg for a entire 7 days when in theory I should need more aromasin to control estrogen due to my age...

    So I started studying aromasin more and found that in men over 40...there is evidence that a suicidal inhibitor can work to good...and over long term use aromasin can and will execute too many enzymes and by continuing to run it your body is short on enzymes hence the need to drop the dose way back..

    So be careful cause there really isn't any research showing the long term effects...
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    Quote Originally Posted by s2h View Post
    Little word of caution with aromasin.....as men age over 40 obviously we convert more test to estrogen as the aromatase enzymes increase in our bodies...

    A few years back I required 25mg ed of aromasin to run a gram to 1.5 g a week of test...this kept my e2 at around 20-25...since have been on trt for 12ish years I have bounced between adex and aromasin from time to time...

    Well I stuck with the aromasin perma I guess about 2-3 yes ago...at first all was good....but after a year or so I had too start lowering my aromasin dose as my e2 was getting too low...

    Flash forward....running 1g a week of sustanon only require me to take 12.5mg 3x ew the day after I inject...so I went from 25mg ed to 37.5mg for a entire 7 days when in theory I should need more aromasin to control estrogen due to my age...

    So I started studying aromasin more and found that in men over 40...there is evidence that a suicidal inhibitor can work to good...and over long term use aromasin can and will execute too many enzymes and by continuing to run it your body is short on enzymes hence the need to drop the dose way back..

    So be careful cause there really isn't any research showing the long term effects...
    Thank you, I don't use an AI while on TRT and only while on a blast..

    Make sense since I would only use 12.5mg of aromasin ed while on a blast in previous cycles which kept things in order

    So, I don't take your input as caution but rather as insight on how as we get older, we don't need to run that much of a suicidal amoratase inhibitor
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    That's what I experienced...could it vary per person....most defiantly .....but I would venture to say its long term use would have some impact on the bodies ability to produce after long term use...
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    I finally got my test results back... Test levels were 307 free test was 8.3 so is there any other explanation that it wouldn't be fake?

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