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    first time using PH, how to cycle? what else do I need to know






    Im looking to do my first cycle of PH but know very little about them. So the most info would be very helpful.

    Someone on this board recommended msten. What else do I need to take with it? I am not looking to inject anything btw, am I going to need some clomid? I don't want any adverse effects when im off this? but Im not interested in taking clomid.

    I am 5 11' 180 25yr, used to play college hockey and bench 315, but after 2 shoulder surgeries ive lost a lot muscle and added some fat. Ive been back in the gym now for almost 4 months and am seeing some improvements but want to try a PH.

    Thanks in advance!

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    add a testosterone base and research why doign oral only cycles or any cycles without test base ( even just an hrt amount) is not the the best idea.

    I highly rec IMLs pro-h's ass an oral to add to a cycle.
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    Definitely run a liver support supp and have a good pct lined up
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    Test base is a good start. Make sure your PCT is lined up

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    AKA Clomid/nolva/torem

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    You will also want to be careful because of your shoulder surgeries, assuming they are from tendon/ligament issues. DECA-DROL MAX from Iron Mag Labs can help with joint issues. It'll help you retain a bit of water and this class of ph is known for helping out tendon/ligament issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by thomasre7 View Post
    AKA Clomid/nolva/torem
    This. Don't PCT without a SERM or a heavy duty OTC PCT.

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    what is DECA-DROL MAX? Do I need to cycle it or take anything after it?

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    M-sten is one of the harshest compounds out on ur body. My liver values run a tad on the high side normally but when i ran m-sten had me in 600-700 which enough for me to never touch an oral again. My point is just because its a pill doesn't make it any safer by no means ..
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    Maybe Google search "mild prohormone" and start from there. Msten not for novice.

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    Def check that out bro I use it in any ph run. Also do your home work on what your goals will be and review the ph logs and reviews. My fav to date is Ironmaglabs Msten shit is wicked and anything by them is legit. GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floods7 View Post
    what is DECA-DROL MAX? Do I need to cycle it or take anything after it?
    You should be taking a PCT with anything hormone related IMO. but please research as to why any cycle without test is not a good idea. your may regret it if you dont...
    good luck!

    PS i do rec the Deca-Drol , but with test or at the very least with a PCT.
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    Floods7, since you're playing hockey I can only assume you're wanting to load up on mass (unless you're a goalie, you need to be big if you can)!

    While MSten is the popular bulker, if you're looking for something that won't completely rape your liver, I'd suggest Epistane. I'd suggest RPN Havoc.

    Epi is a milder compound than SuperDrol/MSten for sure, and you should have no problems running a full course. It's weak enough that you likely aren't going to have issues with aromitase but strong enough that you will likely hit PR's with it. While Epi is normally reserved for bodybuilders looking to cut, you can gain OR cut on it - and since it's your first hormonal product you'll likely do fantastic with it.

    Suggested run (all purchasable from Google or Amazon):

    Weeks 1 thru 4: Havoc (Epistane, dosed as on the bottle) + Forged Liver Support
    Weeks 5 thru 8: Forged Post-Cycle
    Weeks 9 thru 12: Not a damned thing... take time off to recoup.

    It should also be mentioned that prohormones and oral steroids are liver toxic, so don't drink. At all. Seriously. I've got fucked up liver values right now and I'm not happy about it. But then again, I run harsher shit than epi now...

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