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    How to win the war on poverty

    In our opinion: How to win the war on poverty
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    Published: Sunday, Jan. 12 2014


    Lynda Johnson Robb, President Lyndon B. Johnson's daughter, right, joined by members of the Congressional Black Caucus and others, speaks during an event on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 8, 2014, marking the 50th anniversary of President Johnson's declaration of the War on Poverty.

    Pablo Martinez Monsivais, Associated Press

    The key to winning the war on poverty is to provide people opportunities to rise above handouts, to promote lasting marriages and to unlock the creative forces of freedom.
    Much has been made of the 50th anniversary of President Lyndon Johnson?s declaration of a war on poverty ? something he did as part of his State of the Union address that year.

    By some measures, government has spent at least $15 trillion on this war, and federal spending is 286 percent higher today than when LBJ and Congress fired the first shots. Yet even liberals anxious to extol the progress made since then say overall poverty has fallen only from 26 percent to 16 percent, according to some Columbia University economists. Others cite different figures to show no improvement at all.

    But even the somewhat rosy view (shouldn?t $15 trillion buy more than that?) derives its results by figuring in government intervention, which means it counts people being propped up by welfare programs as out of poverty.

    Writing for The Washington Post, Dylan Matthews says food stamps kept 4 million people out of poverty in 2012 alone. But can someone dependent on the government for food really be considered to be prospering? Shouldn?t the greater goal be to provide the incentives to help people rise up and become self-sufficient? And shouldn?t government be more involved in encouraging behavior that is proven to result in higher living standards?

    The answer to both should be obvious. The second question, in particular, is packed with plenty of warning signs about trouble ahead.

    Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., has said marriage is the one behavior proven to end poverty. He is right, although the answer is not so simple as to somehow force everyone living together out of wedlock to tie the knot, as critics imply while oversimplifying the issue. Living together out of wedlock is a disastrous prelude to marriage. Most such schemes end in divorce, even if they do lead to marriage in the first place. The key to marriage lies in a quality courtship and a sense of commitment and loyalty that goes far beyond telling a partner you would like to take him or her for a test drive first.

    In the United States, the declining marriage rate has not been an equal-opportunity failure. It strikes hardest at the least educated. Research by Charles Murray has shown that college-educated young people still marry at about an 84 percent rate, while those with less education do so at only about 48 percent.

    Data from the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia shows that children from intact marriages are far more likely to attend and graduate from college, and subsequently earn high wages, than those from broken homes. But the difference is particularly stark for children in low-income families.

    For these children, having married, committed parents may be the best hope for rising out of poverty. Children from broken homes are 82 percent more likely to live low-income situations than those from married households, according to the Heritage Foundation. They also are more likely to engage in harmful behavior of their own, including producing children out of wedlock.

    Poverty has as many causes as it has faces. It can be linked to health, an inadequate education system and a host of other factors. A safety net of some kind likely always will be necessary. But government gets in the way when it produces a culture of dependency, or when it ties private enterprise in so much bureaucratic red tape it inhibits job growth.

    Utah Sen. Mike Lee may have said it best recently when he said the war on poverty really began in 1776, not in 1964. The founders of this nation declared a God-given universal right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and then established a government that fostered those rights.

    Virtually all of recorded human history up to that point had been about wealth for a select few and poverty for the rest. Since then, the story has been quite different, not only here but in other nations that have adopted similar ideals.

    Life expectancies have dramatically increased. Technology has expanded in unimaginable ways. Health care regularly produces miracles even kings couldn?t have hoped for in the past. Wages are up and prices are down, and leisure time has exploded.

    Yes, many still suffer in deep poverty. But the key is to provide them and their children opportunities to rise above handouts, to promote lasting marriages and to unlock the creative forces of freedom.

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    Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., has said marriage is the one behavior proven to end poverty.

    It's so nice to have a 3rd generation millionaire explain how to survive marraige & end poverty..


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    Just as a FYI, Rubio is not a third gen millionaire. He is the son of a legal Cuban immigrant that worked as a bar tender most of his life.

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    the US has spent about 16 Trillion on the "war on poverty" and have nothing to show for all that money.
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    The so-called war on poverty cannot be won without taking away everyone's right to choose how to live their lives.

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    the part of the story i like was "giving people an opportunity to rise above the handouts"

    We aren't currently doing this. It needs to change. Here's one idea that both parties could agree on: Obama wants more infrastructure, repubs want people to work for their money... How about welfare and unemployment recipients rebuild the infrastructure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    the US has spent about 16 Trillion on the "war on poverty" and have nothing to show for all that money.
    I would love to see where the money actually goes, 16 trill you could directly hand that out to everyone and that would bump lower class into middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Puppy View Post
    the part of the story i like was "giving people an opportunity to rise above the handouts"

    We aren't currently doing this. It needs to change. Here's one idea that both parties could agree on: Obama wants more infrastructure, repubs want people to work for their money... How about welfare and unemployment recipients rebuild the infrastructure?
    if you collect welfare you should have to perform a community service several days a week like clean toilets at the DMV, that would motivate people to get a job
    Aussies and Philadelphians are the only people here

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    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post
    The ones we're better off without.

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    Income Inequality

    By Walter E. Williams
    January 14, 2014

    Democrats plan to demagogue income inequality and the wealth gap for political gain in this year?s elections. Most of what?s said about income inequality is stupid or, at best, ill-informed. Much to their disgrace, economists focusing on measures of income inequality bring little light to the issue. Let?s look at it.

    Income is a result of something. As such, results alone cannot establish whether there is fairness or justice. Take a simple example to make the point. Suppose Tom, Dick and Harry play a weekly game of poker. The result is: Tom wins 75 percent of the time. Dick and Harry, respectively, win 15 percent and 10 percent of the time. Knowing only the game?s result permits us to say absolutely nothing as to whether there has been poker fairness or justice. Tom?s disproportionate winnings are consistent with his being either an astute player or a clever cheater.

    To determine whether there has been poker justice, the game?s process must be examined. Process questions we might ask are: Were Hoyle?s rules obeyed; were the cards unmarked; were the cards dealt from the top of the deck; and did the players play voluntarily? If these questions yield affirmative answers, there was poker fairness and justice, regardless of the game?s result, even with Tom?s winning 75 percent of the time.

    Similarly, income is a result of something. In a free society, for the most part, income is a result of one?s capacity to serve his fellow man and the value his fellow man places on that service. Say I mow your lawn and you pay me $50. That $50 might be seen as a certificate of performance. Why? It serves as evidence that I served my fellow man and enables me to make a claim on what he produces when I visit the grocer. Google founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page are multibillionaires. Just as in the case of my serving my fellow man by mowing his lawn, they served their fellow man. The difference is they served many more of their fellow men and did so far more effectively than I and hence have received many more ?certificates of performance,? which enables them to make greater claims on what their fellow man produces, such as big houses, cars and jets.

    Brin and Page and people like them created wealth by producing services that improve the lives of millions upon millions of people all around the globe.

    Should people who have improved our lives be held up to ridicule and scorn because they have higher income than most of us? Should Congress confiscate part of their wealth in the name of fairness and income redistribution?

    Except in many instances when government rigs the game with crony capitalism, income is mostly a result of one?s productivity and the value that people place on that productivity. Far more important than income inequality is productivity inequality. That suggests that if there?s anything to be done about income inequality, we should focus on how to give people greater capacity to serve their fellow man, namely raise their productivity.

    To accomplish that goal, let?s look at a few things that we shouldn?t do. Becoming a taxicab owner-operator lies within the grasp of many, but in New York City, one must be able to get a license (medallion), which costs $700,000. There are hundreds of examples of government restrictions that reduce opportunity. What about the grossly fraudulent education received by so many minority youngsters? And then we handicap them further with laws that mandate that businesses pay them wages that exceed their productivity, which denies them on-the-job training.

    Think back to my poker example. If one is concerned about the game?s result, which is more just, taking some of Tom?s winnings and redistributing them to Dick and Harry or teaching Dick and Harry how to play better? If left to politicians, they?d prefer redistribution. That way, they could get their hands on some of Tom?s winnings. That?s far more rewarding to them than raising Dick?s and Harry?s productivity.

    Income Inequality
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    The ones we're better off without.
    no DOMS...we must give her family other people's money so they can support her and continue reproducing at an astronomical rate

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    The whole "war on poverty" was and is a joke.

    The way to deal with "poverty" is education, skills, and jobs.

    We can add controlling certain behaviors also - I am not saying all or even most of the poor have problems with drugs and booze, but it is prevalent. Should some of these people even be having children?

    Being in poverty has been common unfortunately, for thousands of years. Hundreds of years ago, and of course today.

    Some poster posted a pic of a "child dying from poverty." That photo is a croc. Kids dying? In Africa, yes. Other regions of the world yes. In the USA no. Lots of services, food and medical care.

    Look back to not long ago: the 1930s, in the USA. Or, the 1850s in the USA. How about the 1870s? Very rough times back then, economically.

    Humans know how to eat, survive? Die today? Then they are truly stupid and a drain on the gene pool.

    Lots of poverty back then - but families GREW THEIR OWN FOOD. They had chickens, etc. Less medical technology, back then.

    Are things bad enough where people int he USA die? Hell no. Suffer from malnutrition? Hell no. Food stamps and multi-vitamins from Costco. A 500 pill jar of multi-vitamins costs $11.

    Ever heard of families pooling resources? Some do, many do not.

    I live in Asia. They are much better at survival than Americans in "poverty."

    Do these impoverished have cell phones? Give me a break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    The whole "war on poverty" was and is a joke.

    Look back to not long ago: the 1930s, in the USA. Or, the 1850s in the USA. How about the 1870s? Very rough times back then, economically.
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    the US was economy was booming in the 1870's through 1910.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Donkey View Post
    no DOMS...we must give her family other people's money so they can support her and continue reproducing at an astronomical rate
    Almost all of those children they're talking about come from third-world countries. Places that are having a children a rate they haven't been able to sustain for over a hundred years. I've seen the ads about giving to children living in Africa since I was a kid. It's the same thing every time: a mother with eight or more children (probably from different fathers) stand their looking forlorn. We've given billions to people like that since the 80s and they're no better now than they were then.

    Fuck 'em.

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    why do people have kids they can't afford when they can't even support themselves?
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