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    The General refuses to stand up






    I am 56 yrs old
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    The General won't stand up and when he does with the help of Tadafil he won't send the troops out.I've never needed anything to help me or had this happen before.


    Week 1-8 200 x 2 = 400mg TS400 weekly
    Week 8-14 300 x 2 = 600mg TS400 weekly
    Week 14-20 400 x 2 = 800mg TS400 weekly


    Dbol
    50mg ed started wk 14 and stopped wk 18 because libido went down to nothing
    HCG
    500 x 2per wk total 1000 started wk 14
    Aromasin
    12.5mg ed started wk 14


    PCT
    HCG
    750 eod weeks 1-3
    Aromasin
    25mg ed week 1-3 / 12.5 week4
    Clomid
    100mg ed Week 1-3 / 50 ed week4




    I am in the 2nd week of PCT right now and nothing has changed. I was planing on going TRT but because of this problem I decided to stop everything and clear out totally.


    Whether what I did was right or wrong I am looking for some constructive critisim and help in getting my sex drive back ASAP.


    I was going to get blood work but was told to wait 6 weeks which is another 4 weeks from now.

    I also just ordered some Cabaser but I don't want to keep adding without knowing whats going on.




    Thanks

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    What brand is dbol?

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    British Dragon I think, they had BD on them. Got them from my nephew who used them with great success.

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    So you were on 800 mg test and 50 mg dbol and having ED issues?

    Why are you waiting on bloods?

    I honestly cant believe some one on 800 mgs test can have ed that didnt already have problems with ed. So if i had to guess ?(and I am guessing)? Something is up with your gear. It is MY understanding that ED from steroids comes from an abundance of prolactin but with that much test and no 19 nors im not sure where its all coming from or if its even there. you need to get your bloods to see you test level e2 level and prolactin level if possible.

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    Could just be high estro. Asin at 12.5mg is almost nothing for me, I need 25mg a day especially at the doses you are talking. Id switch to adex .5mg eod or start 50mg of proviron a day.

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    One thing I notice in your PCT is that you are running HCG along with aromasin and clomid at the same time. HCG should be run with low dose test at the end of the cycle then run clomid with aromasin.
    HCG will shut you down hard.
    At this point since you are already in PCT mode run clomid 50 ED with 12.5 aromasin 2x a week.
    25mg of aromasin daily is a LOT of aromasin. If you have the real deal that's way too much IMO.
    Been doing this for 20 years trust me back off aromasin. If you are taking liquid aromasin throw it away get the real pills.
    As far as caber is concerned there is no harm in taking it to revive your sex drive.
    .5mg once or 2x a week is plenty.

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    At age 56 Im not even sure why you are doing PCT .

    Also libido and ED are two different things. I can tell me libido is not right when I dont want to look at pornhub every day , I can tell Im having ED when I look at porn and nothing down there moves.

    Blood test measuring estro, prolactin, and LH will tell you a lot. At your age consider the prostate too. Do you have trouble peeing ? Or need to get up during the night to pee ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    One thing I notice in your PCT is that you are running HCG along with aromasin and clomid at the same time. HCG should be run with low dose test at the end of the cycle then run clomid with aromasin.
    HCG will shut you down hard.
    At this point since you are already in PCT mode run clomid 50 ED with 12.5 aromasin 2x a week.
    25mg of aromasin daily is a LOT of aromasin. If you have the real deal that's way too much IMO.
    Been doing this for 20 years trust me back off aromasin. If you are taking liquid aromasin throw it away get the real pills.
    As far as caber is concerned there is no harm in taking it to revive your sex drive.
    .5mg once or 2x a week is plenty.
    Vassile, Please double check that idea about HCG . Many a fertility Dr will recommend HCG or even HCG with Clomid so I do not believe it causes shut down.

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    honestly i wouldnt listen to half the things here until you have blood work or have seen a dr. Just speculating on things when you dont know your own bodys reaction to AAS and throwing drugs at them can cause more issues. I would get blood work done, see where all your bloods are at then dose your drugs from there. Saying he should run 25mg of aromasin is crazy if his estro is bairly even raised. Blood work is critical and if it does not get better in a month see a dr.

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    I've never had ED and only after taking the Dbol was it a problem. I agree that a blood test now is the way to go so I will order it tomorrow and get back here with the results.
    Thanks everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviceAAS View Post
    Vassile, Please double check that idea about HCG . Many a fertility Dr will recommend HCG or even HCG with Clomid so I do not believe it causes shut down.
    hey Novice,
    HCG mimics LH. Once HCG is stopped so does the signal between pituitary and gonads which equals with being shut down. I've used HCG on and off for many years it works ok for few weeks or so then it will just stop working all together. Have you used HCG yourself?
    If HCG works all the time everybody would be on it but it doesnt. It's ok if you want to have kids to used it temporarely but that's about it.
    Last edited by vassille; 01-22-2014 at 10:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos77 View Post
    I've never had ED and only after taking the Dbol was it a problem. I agree that a blood test now is the way to go so I will order it tomorrow and get back here with the results.
    Thanks everybody.
    I doubt it was the dbol.You should def see what's up with the bloods.
    Currently running a cycle with dbol at 40mg ED and sex drive is fine.
    Just an FYI for future ventures, dont take any AI unless you need it.
    Running a cycle of
    test cyp/test prop/Eq/deca/npp/mast/dbol all in small dosages under 500mg each and sex drive is fine...and Im not running any Aromasin, Adex or letro or anything for estro for that matter.
    Reason im on so many compounds is that Im transitioning from once cycle to another but anyway no AI great sex drive and no gyno.
    Just food for thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    hey Novice,
    HCG mimics LH. Once HCG is stopped so does the signal between pituitary and gonads which equals with being shut down. I've used HCG on and off for many years it works ok for few weeks or so then it will just stop working all together. Have you used HCG yourself?
    If HCG works all the time everybody would be on it but it doesnt. It's ok if you want to have kids to used it temporarely but that's about it.
    x2 HCG mimics LH, and because it does so, natural LH production will be suppressed. Which means a suppressed/shut down HPTA. Natural recovery doesn't start till you're completely off HCG and other exogenous hormones

    As per OP's question, my guess is estro is high from the dbol/test combo, hence the ED, but it's only a guess, bloodwork will be the only true answer. Female hormonal panel is cheap, no reason not to get it.

    One more thing, the reason it's suggested to wait a few weeks in getting bloodwork is because SERMs artificially raise test levels, and they have an active half-life of 5-7 days, so if you want to see your BASELINE levels, and not your artificial serm-induced test levels, it's usually wise to wait 3 weeks or so post final SERM dose before checking bloodwork.

    If you just want to see your estro/prolactin levels tho you should be fine getting a female hormonal panel as we speak, as far as I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    I doubt it was the dbol.You should def see what's up with the bloods.
    Currently running a cycle with dbol at 40mg ED and sex drive is fine.
    Just an FYI for future ventures, dont take any AI unless you need it.
    Running a cycle of
    test cyp/test prop/Eq/deca/npp/mast/dbol all in small dosages under 500mg each and sex drive is fine...and Im not running any Aromasin, Adex or letro or anything for estro for that matter.
    Reason im on so many compounds is that Im transitioning from once cycle to another but anyway no AI great sex drive and no gyno.
    Just food for thought
    you gotta also realize the aromatase process is just as individual as everything else, I've seen guys be fine with minimal to no AI, and I've seen other guys have tit problems from the simplest things; everyone responds differently, what works for some doesn't necessarily work for all... so it's always best suggested to have the ancillaries on hand, and use when needed, as needed. Some guys are hypersensitive to estrogen, other guys don't get bothered by it much, depends on the person. I too generally don't need an AI, maybe once every two weeks or so when running test/eq at 600 each, but every snowflake is different. Age/personal physiology also plays a role. Just my 2 cents extended ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    you gotta also realize the aromatase process is just as individual as everything else, I've seen guys be fine with minimal to no AI, and I've seen other guys have tit problems from the simplest things; everyone responds differently, what works for some doesn't necessarily work for all... so it's always best suggested to have the ancillaries on hand, and use when needed, as needed. Some guys are hypersensitive to estrogen, other guys don't get bothered by it much, depends on the person. I too generally don't need an AI, maybe once every two weeks or so when running test/eq at 600 each, but every snowflake is different. Age/personal physiology also plays a role. Just my 2 cents extended ^_^
    I agree with your assesment which mirrors what I said. There are too many ppl, who for unknown reasons to me are told to add AIs without any good reasoning behind it. Use it as need it..if you dont need it then dont use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnyguy180 View Post
    So you were on 800 mg test and 50 mg dbol and having ED issues?

    Why are you waiting on bloods?

    I honestly cant believe some one on 800 mgs test can have ed that didnt already have problems with ed. So if i had to guess ?(and I am guessing)? Something is up with your gear. It is MY understanding that ED from steroids comes from an abundance of prolactin but with that much test and no 19 nors im not sure where its all coming from or if its even there. you need to get your bloods to see you test level e2 level and prolactin level if possible.

    Im a no-pro so take my advice for what its worth...
    Solid advice here OP, take it. I had ED my first cycle but I was running more Deca than Test: stupid I know, but I was doing it to jump start some soft tissue healing. I run just a tad more Test C than Deca now and I'm a sexual Tyrannosaurus... Get some bloods. I find it hard to believe your running 800mgs of test with limp dick syndrome and did NOT have a problem with ED before, but anything is possible. Everybody is different. If I ran that much test my wife would be barefoot and pregnant all the time...
    Last edited by HamHands; 01-24-2014 at 03:30 PM.

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    I am running 900 mg test and had great wood, and then as soon as i start SDMZ 2.0 limp noodle syndrome. Coincidence, maybe, but i started an AI just to see if that is the case. Estro can be a mofo

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos77 View Post
    British Dragon I think, they had BD on them. Got them from my nephew who used them with great success.

    not that its neither here nor there but both the var and winny I have that's british dragon (thank you WP) have an actual dragon it

    I have had stuff with BD stamped into it and its supposed to be british dispensary which to my knowledge has been copied a million times over


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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    hey Novice,
    HCG mimics LH. Once HCG is stopped so does the signal between pituitary and gonads which equals with being shut down. I've used HCG on and off for many years it works ok for few weeks or so then it will just stop working all together. Have you used HCG yourself?
    If HCG works all the time everybody would be on it but it doesnt. It's ok if you want to have kids to used it temporarely but that's about it.
    Hey bud, sorry I didnt see this till now. Yes I use HCG a lot, love it , although I will admit being on B&C doesnt allow me to gauge that as well.And yes I do know how it works . I believe the reason people dont use it all the time is because your body will stop responding to it. I thought you had said something above about HCG causing a "shut down", and that was what I was not in agreement with. I had not seen any info about it being supresive, and givin how fetrility measures usually go one for quite a while I dont think the supresive action would be that strong or significant. But I will also look in to it more. Thanks for the food for thought and a good reason to go do some more reading !!
    Last edited by NoviceAAS; 01-24-2014 at 07:33 PM.

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    oh and if you had a link or info Id be grateful . Everything Ive seen or read only says "if ran at very high doses or for too long"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheriV View Post
    not that its neither here nor there but both the var and winny I have that's british dragon (thank you WP) have an actual dragon it

    I have had stuff with BD stamped into it and its supposed to be british dispensary which to my knowledge has been copied a million times over
    In my research I came to the same conclusion...British Dispensary could be a different compound...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviceAAS View Post
    oh and if you had a link or info Id be grateful . Everything Ive seen or read only says "if ran at very high doses or for too long"
    http://www.ironmaglabs.com/forums/sh...0398#post30398

    also

    http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...reference.html

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    second link was a good read,thank you , first took me to something about gyno.

    Anyway yes I see through the desensitisation a long term reduction in production of natty test could occur, but Im still not in agreement with the blanket statement " HCG will shut you down hard" . Again in the article you referred me to it did mention dosage as playing a factor. Also keep in mind the reason HCG slows PCT down is not exactly because its "shutting you down" but rather lengthening the process by not letting your body do the work on its own. Also HCG stimulates test production, and unfortunately a part of PCT is letting those test levels crash so thats another factor why HCG would hinder the process.

    I'll try and get a link to some of the PCT or fertility regimens I saw using HCG and actually at large doses. Unfortunately for us, there is a lot of contradictory info that is often available.

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    Notice in this particular instance both Lewellyn and Scally are using HCG during , although they do mention desensitization that is once again coupled with " strength and duration"

    http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-t...el-scally.html

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    I tried to space this post to be more readable but obviously it didn't work. Sorry

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    Test looks decent enough, estro is real good, prolactin is ok but could be brought lower. Perhaps its time to look at BP and prostate ?

    Seems kind of hard to believe your natty function is going to resume while your still at 2k. I have heard of guys running some proviron up until and even a week in to PCT .

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    My LH is 0.1 Low should be between 1.7 & 8.6. Also the FSH is Low 0.3 should be1.5 & 12.4. What is that test for and how do I fix that. I'm not concerned with the rest. Also, should I continue PCT like I am or increase or decrease anything. How long should I wait before going back on Test. I just want my nuts to work right, they haven't grown back all the way and I don't think they are producing properly .

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    Yes I see your LH and FSH is low, and no your nuts are not working yet. But something is very wrong here, because your blood test shows your testosterone levels at over 2k does it not ? So of course your nuts arent working, anyone would shut down with that kind of exogeneous test still in your system. Your test levels need to crash for you to have a propper pct. Something doesnt make sense if you are in 2nd week of PCT and your still that high on test.
    Exactly how many days ago was your last injection of any testosterone at all ?

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    NoviceAAS- as for the HCG it does suppress your system and will make it much harder to pct properly. HCG is used for fertility in Men because as you said it acts like LH and causes you nuts to start producing sperm with out the signal from your brain having to release LH. Causing spermatogenesis.

    Chaos- novice is correct. Nothing about your blood work seems off, accept the timeline you laid out. Your testosterone is still silly high. So your LH and FSH look standard. Your prolactin is a little high but nothing retarded. Im not sure what your "little general" issues are but it doesn't appear to be from the gear so i would start looking into other aspects of you health also.
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