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    Im currently in the middle of my first oral cycle. The past week I've been dealing with some high blood pressure. Ive cut out the caffeine thinking that was the root of it, but it didnt help much. I haven't actually had a blood pressure reading, but I know it's high. I know how my body reacts when it is. I don't have anything major going on, just enough to know that's what it is.
    My question for you guys is this: what kind of supps have you used that actually work for high bp. Im taking hawthorne berry now, and bought garlic today. Ive read alot today and came across some other ideas, but its 50/50 with people saying if they work or not. Id like to hear the things you've used that show results.

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    Cialis works really well but it's not fun having half a chub all day long than getting rock hard hardons for no real reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficerFarva View Post
    Cialis works really well but it's not fun having half a chub all day long than getting rock hard hardons for no real reason.
    Ahh hhaaa hhaaa. True, but chicks at gym see that semi-wood and think you're hung like donkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficerFarva View Post
    Cialis works really well but it's not fun having half a chub all day long than getting rock hard hardons for no real reason.

    oh yes it is

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    Give blood and cialis works well for me also.


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    From herbal products I like celery seed extract more than hawthorn berry.

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    Haha id rather be dealing with a boner problem than a bp problem, ill look into that. Which research brand of that do you guys vouch for as legit?....I read alot of good things about the celery seed extract as well. I was planning on picking some of that up.

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    My personal fave is BlueSky. I use it every day. But most any on this board is good.

    You should give blood first to get it down, them keep it down with cialis.


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    How are you dosing the blue sky stuff to control the bp?

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    I've been using researchstop for a long time and have never had any issues. My blood work shows their products work as well.

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    Damn, I just put an order in with Blue Sky on friday. I shouldve asked for advice sooner. Thanks guys

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    I think CoQ10 should be used as well along with another supp such as cialis, etc.....D-bol always spikes my BP even at 30mg dont know exactly why, maybe just how I react.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sneedham View Post
    I think CoQ10 should be used as well along with another supp such as cialis, etc.....D-bol always spikes my BP even at 30mg dont know exactly why, maybe just how I react.....
    check your diet and keep it clean from junk food and such. Also, I was cuting salt out thinking it helps but not really. I eat normal salt now and feel much better.

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    I just bought some CoQ10 on my way home from the gym, going to start using that . I bought red yeast rice too, but now I read that can be rough on the liver, which I dont need while on an oral cycle

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    I have a genetic predisposition to high blood pressure. Even when I was 205, 8%bF @ 6'2" I had high blood pressure, and I'm talking age 24... I know your asking about natural supplements but... A Beta Blocker could do you worlds of good. Propranolol is cheap with insurance and almost any doctor will be willing to prescribe it to you... When my BP is really up I take Lisinopril, a diuretic that is a generic too along with the Beta Blocker. It brings me to 110 over 70, even under stress. Go and see your physician; if for nothing else but to get an accurate BP reading and to get checked out. Both medications are shown to be very safe and have been around/in use a long time. My prescriptions run $8 each per month. That's cheaper than a month supply of the CoQ10 I thought about trying before I went to the doctor. You asked for things that we know will work to bring your BP down to normal. I can vouch for both medications and I have had zero side effects from them... except for losing some excess water from the Lisinopril.(a damn good thing on steroids in my opinion)... Best of luck to you bro! Let us know what works...

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    Thanks guys. The past day and a half, ive felt good again. Im going to order some cialis, just to have on hand if I feel shitty again

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    Clonidine and hydroclorothiazide has worked well for me but you have to be careful as they both come with dangers. Specially beta blockers, such as clonidine and propanolol as mentioned above, as your body gets accustomed to the and may then have trouble regulating BP on its own. For this reason I'm actually looking to move away from these and try to get control through less drastic means.

    So far been using Coq10, magnesium, taurine, and lots of water. Unfortunately this has not been enough. Thinking about adding HW Berry.

    The cialis concept is clever haha. I never thought of it but it makes sense. Are there any significant risks with daily use of cialis? Specially to the baby maker... Thinking priaprism (sp?) risks??



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFucker View Post
    Clonidine and hydroclorothiazide has worked well for me but you have to be careful as they both come with dangers. Specially beta blockers, such as clonidine and propanolol as mentioned above, as your body gets accustomed to the and may then have trouble regulating BP on its own. For this reason I'm actually looking to move away from these and try to get control through less drastic means.

    So far been using Coq10, magnesium, taurine, and lots of water. Unfortunately this has not been enough. Thinking about adding HW Berry.

    The cialis concept is clever haha. I never thought of it but it makes sense. Are there any significant risks with daily use of cialis? Specially to the baby maker... Thinking priaprism (sp?) risks??



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    Are the BP meds something you use while on a cycle? Or do you really need them for a medical reason? Taurine is awesome for muscle cramps/back pumps..I believe it was christean who turned e on to that particular supp and it really works well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFucker View Post
    Clonidine and hydroclorothiazide has worked well for me but you have to be careful as they both come with dangers. Specially beta blockers, such as clonidine and propanolol as mentioned above, as your body gets accustomed to the and may then have trouble regulating BP on its own. For this reason I'm actually looking to move away from these and try to get control through less drastic means.

    So far been using Coq10, magnesium, taurine, and lots of water. Unfortunately this has not been enough. Thinking about adding HW Berry.

    The cialis concept is clever haha. I never thought of it but it makes sense. Are there any significant risks with daily use of cialis? Specially to the baby maker... Thinking priaprism (sp?) risks??



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    Clonidine and hctz is a pretty high end script for HBP...for some dealing with AAS induced HBP that maybe a bit of a overkill....thou 12.5mg hctz ed and 5-10mg cialis will help most cases...I never saw much from any herbal remedies...personally I have a script for losartan....works good.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFucker View Post
    Clonidine and hydroclorothiazide has worked well for me but you have to be careful as they both come with dangers. Specially beta blockers, such as clonidine and propanolol as mentioned above, as your body gets accustomed to the and may then have trouble regulating BP on its own. For this reason I'm actually looking to move away from these and try to get control through less drastic means.

    So far been using Coq10, magnesium, taurine, and lots of water. Unfortunately this has not been enough. Thinking about adding HW Berry.

    The cialis concept is clever haha. I never thought of it but it makes sense. Are there any significant risks with daily use of cialis? Specially to the baby maker... Thinking priaprism (sp?) risks??



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    I use my Propanolol and Lisinopril both on and off of a cycle and have for years. I've also went off of the Beta blocker and Lisinopril for two months at a time and never experienced what you claimed in your statement; "as your body gets accustomed to them and may then have trouble regulating BP on it's own." and neither has my mother or brother(both of whom don't blast) when going off of the Beta Blocker and Lisinopril. Are you talking from experience taking the medications or is this something you've heard or read? While it probably has merit for someone who is of very poor health and in advanced age it is a rare side effect for your body not to go back to its normal homeostasis when concerning blood pressure, whether your homeostasis is 120/80 or 155/95... Both medications have been literally wonderful, life prolonging medications for me and have had zero side effects, either taking them regularly, or going off of them just to see if I don't need to take them anymore. I use them while cruising & blasting for what it's worth. If the OP has an underlying issue then he needs to go and get it checked out by his family physician. High blood pressure is nothing to play with; and while it may just be a side effect from the cycle he is on, it may not be, but knowing can prolong your life and certainly increase your quality of life for your lifetime...

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    Brother you need to give blood to get it stabilized them supplement. I use cialis with great success, but cialis wouldn't bring mine down once It was real high. You give a pint and you are good to go. Then work on keeping it down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christsean View Post
    Brother you need to give blood to get it stabilized them supplement. I use cialis with great success, but cialis wouldn't bring mine down once It was real high. You give a pint and you are good to go. Then work on keeping it down.


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    This is some solid advice too. Giving a pint of blood will do wonders in the short term of the OP's blood pressure problem...

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    s2h- My guinea pigs doc told him to take half clonidine tab in the morining (50mg) and half at night to minimize risk or rebound bp. I then added htcz at 25 mg (small dose) because the beta blocker alone wasn't cutting it and I was afraid to go too high with the betas. I will unfortunately say that the aggressive protocol is partly bc for the first 15-20 years of cycling, my guinea pig was very negligent about bp issues and swept it under the rug. Now that he is older, it really worries him. Plus my gp is doing tren and fina is the worst offender in the bp dept.

    How's losartan working for you? How do you take? Doesnt it have a short half-life?

    Guys who give blood, are you allowed to give on a cycle? If not, is it awkward giving blood when everyone can tell you are on something and you walk in there acting natural like you just sipped a bunch of muscletech to get that way?

    Mattsf- my bro says he has good benefits from arginine. Personally I don't believe it's effective (at least in this context). But maybe it's something that works for you. I am with s2h that the herbal remedies don't do much particularly in the context of AAS driven bp. But if you can stay away from the beta blockers by donating blood and/or taking boner pills, I would really urge you to do so my friend. Big old Fucker like me unfortunately has tried everything ( except giving blood or cialis) and only real meds work..





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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFucker View Post
    s2h- My guinea pigs doc told him to take half clonidine tab in the morining (50mg) and half at night to minimize risk or rebound bp. I then added htcz at 25 mg (small dose) because the beta blocker alone wasn't cutting it and I was afraid to go too high with the betas. I will unfortunately say that the aggressive protocol is partly bc for the first 15-20 years of cycling, my guinea pig was very negligent about bp issues and swept it under the rug. Now that he is older, it really worries him. Plus my gp is doing tren and fina is the worst offender in the bp dept.

    How's losartan working for you? How do you take? Doesnt it have a short half-life?

    Guys who give blood, are you allowed to give on a cycle? If not, is it awkward giving blood when everyone can tell you are on something and you walk in there acting natural like you just sipped a bunch of muscletech to get that way?

    Mattsf- my bro says he has good benefits from arginine. Personally I don't believe it's effective (at least in this context). But maybe it's something that works for you. I am with s2h that the herbal remedies don't do much particularly in the context of AAS driven bp. But if you can stay away from the beta blockers by donating blood and/or taking boner pills, I would really urge you to do so my friend. Big old Fucker like me unfortunately has tried everything ( except giving blood or cialis) and only real meds work..





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    the losartan i take has a 9 hour half life...there was/were 2 versions of losartan at one time and the earlier version was real short if i recall..2-3 hours or something like that...i also take 12.5mg of hctz all in the am..thing you have to be careful about with hctz is getting gout...if you really need it and there is excess water that needs to be pulled off then its ok..but if somebody just takes it too stay "dry"..then it can bite em in the ass..

    as for giving blood..i give 3-4 times a year..my bp meds are scripted..you can also get a script to give blood..where it is not reused for any purpose and the center is aware of that..

    my bp is fine on those scripts...my condition is hereditary so it doesn't matter too much on my physical condition as too what my bp is..



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    Where do you go to donate blood? Wait for a blood drive or is there actually blood banks you can go to anytime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsilf View Post
    Where do you go to donate blood? Wait for a blood drive or is there actually blood banks you can go to anytime?
    theres places all over too donate..warning-dont give em your real phone number..they will call you endlessly when the window is up and you can give again..as bad as telemarketers..



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    Quote Originally Posted by s2h View Post
    theres places all over too donate..warning-dont give em your real phone number..they will call you endlessly when the window is up and you can give again..as bad as telemarketers..
    ^^^^this x10^^^^ they will worry the hide off your ear trying to get more blood.


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    Quote Originally Posted by s2h View Post
    theres places all over too donate..warning-dont give em your real phone number..they will call you endlessly when the window is up and you can give again..as bad as telemarketers..
    Good to know, thanks for the tip

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    HamHands- the portion you quoted, while maybe not clear or eloquent, was mean't to say that your body gets used to beta blockers and you are not supposed to stop their use abruptly. Any doctor monitoring your beta blocker use will tell you that you need to taper before coming off, precisely because your body gets accustomed to, or dependent on, the beta blockers. This is from my doctor and the package insert of the meds. Just google beta blocker and taper and you will find a lot of legit sources explaining this phenomenon. Coming off can be tricky and dangerous if not done right- although much may depend on genetics and length of use, etc.

    So the takeaway to the OP was meant to be that beta blockers usually work well while on cycle imo, but there are some possible side effect considerations that one needs to make. I would be reluctant to self medicate beta blocker (maybe just personal pref), but if you and your doc decide they are appropriate for your circumstances, my experience has been that it usually works well on cycle- tren and drol being the exceptions as they sometimes spike my bp even with some meds.

    Of course, everyone's experience is different, but it's good to hear folks' different experiences.

    Hope this helps.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFucker View Post
    HamHands- the portion you quoted, while maybe not clear or eloquent, was mean't to say that your body gets used to beta blockers and you are not supposed to stop their use abruptly. Any doctor monitoring your beta blocker use will tell you that you need to taper before coming off, precisely because your body gets accustomed to, or dependent on, the beta blockers. This is from my doctor and the package insert of the meds. Just google beta blocker and taper and you will find a lot of legit sources explaining this phenomenon. Coming off can be tricky and dangerous if not done right- although much may depend on genetics and length of use, etc.

    So the takeaway to the OP was meant to be that beta blockers usually work well while on cycle imo, but there are some possible side effect considerations that one needs to make. I would be reluctant to self medicate beta blocker (maybe just personal pref), but if you and your doc decide they are appropriate for your circumstances, my experience has been that it usually works well on cycle- tren and drol being the exceptions as they sometimes spike my bp even with some meds.

    Of course, everyone's experience is different, but it's good to hear folks' different experiences.

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    Thanks for clearing that up BF, I understand better what your talking about now. It's good to hear your experience too. Everybody is different. Genetics play a huge roll in it all. Me, my brother, and mother can take (Bystolic or Propranolol) beta blockers; for extended periods, (6) months and then cold turkey it for (1-2) months with zero side effects. (Other than my blood pressure going back to normal; normal for me is 145/90, and has been since I was 20 years old.) I've cold turkey'd Lisinopril now for the last month just to see if I need it on cycle as much as I do off, and I do need it. I'm going back on it today. The only side effect I had from quitting Lisinopril is some water retention from gear...My Lisinopril is combo'd with hydrochlorothiazide, a diuretic to treat hypertension. Lisinopril/Hctz combo and Bystolic have been been clean (side effects wise) and life prolonging drugs form me...

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