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    After research I think this might be close to being right for my 1st cycle

    I'm 40 , 6ft 1 . 14 stone



    Week 1 - 12 test e 250mg frid and mon or thurs and mon ?



    Weeks 1 - 14 hcg 250 - 500 iu twice a week or more as needed



    Weeks 1 -14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod or ed if needed



    Weeks 15 - 18 nolvadex and clomid but what dose ? There are lots of different opinions on dose so is it pick whichever and see how it goes rather than there being a recommended dose for beginners ? What has worked best for you guys ?



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    too long on the HCG and to early, run HCG week 8-14 for your age adex would be better and on a first cycle if you go overboard asin will kill your estro. Wait a couple of weeks even before starting the AI .
    If you are using testE then youll start pct at week 14 after a 12 week cycle. First 2 weeks you'll take 100mg clomid ED and 40 mg NolvaED , next 2 weeks 50mg ED and 20 mg ED . Then during PCT a tiny bit of Aromasin can be added if desired.
    I know its not as easy in England but best to get a blood test before you start , mid way through, and then 2-3 weeks after PCT is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviceAAS View Post
    too long on the HCG and to early, run HCG week 8-14 for your age adex would be better and on a first cycle if you go overboard asin will kill your estro. Wait a couple of weeks even before starting the AI .
    If you are using testE then youll start pct at week 14 after a 12 week cycle. First 2 weeks you'll take 100mg clomid ED and 40 mg NolvaED , next 2 weeks 50mg ED and 20 mg ED . Then during PCT a tiny bit of Aromasin can be added if desired.
    I know its not as easy in England but best to get a blood test before you start , mid way through, and then 2-3 weeks after PCT is over.
    Why not hcg from start ? As testicular shrinking can start from 2 - 3 weeks ? Why wait to start al ? And why not aromasin ? And why add some during pct ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviceAAS View Post
    too long on the HCG and to early, run HCG week 8-14 for your age adex would be better and on a first cycle if you go overboard asin will kill your estro. Wait a couple of weeks even before starting the AI .
    If you are using testE then youll start pct at week 14 after a 12 week cycle. First 2 weeks you'll take 100mg clomid ED and 40 mg NolvaED , next 2 weeks 50mg ED and 20 mg ED . Then during PCT a tiny bit of Aromasin can be added if desired.
    I know its not as easy in England but best to get a blood test before you start , mid way through, and then 2-3 weeks after PCT is over.
    So end test e on week 12 wait 2 weeks then pct on week 15 ?



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    Overuse of HCG can cause desensitization of the leydig cells.


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    [QUOT E=Warriorblaze;3220556]Overuse of HCG can cause desensitization of the leydig cells.


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    Ive read for last 3 days solid and all what I've read say Doses above 500 iu or above 250 iu every day is what can cause desensitisation



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warriorblaze View Post
    Overuse of HCG can cause desensitization of the leydig cells.


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    Ive read for last 3 days solid and all what I've read say Doses above 500 iu or above 250 iu every day is what can cause



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    you are right HCG is indeed largely dose dependant, but time can be a factor too. I doubt you will get much shrinkage that fast≥

    I say adex instead of asin because asin is suicidal it will kill that estro , and if you go too low you'll have issues there too. But adex can give a slight rebound , thats why for a little time ad the very end some asin would be good. Plus I remember something about adex and clomid not working well together, I'll try and did in to that more.

    yes Im saying wait 2 weeks, maybe 12 days if you were running test E , you need to start crashing a little before pct will work. If you start too early and still have high test your PCT wont work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviceAAS View Post
    you are right HCG is indeed largely dose dependant, but time can be a factor too. I doubt you will get much shrinkage that fast≥

    I say adex instead of asin because asin is suicidal it will kill that estro , and if you go too low you'll have issues there too. But adex can give a slight rebound , thats why for a little time ad the very end some asin would be good. Plus I remember something about adex and clomid not working well together, I'll try and did in to that more.

    yes Im saying wait 2 weeks, maybe 12 days if you were running test E , you need to start crashing a little before pct will work. If you start too early and still have high test your PCT wont work.
    But When you calculate half life of test e on week 14 there is nearly as much in your system as week one or half the amount I need to check ! so why start pct when test e is still in your body ?


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    I'm currently in week 2 of my first cycle. 500 mgs of test e a week, I was taking 10mgs of aromasin ed, after the first 3 days it crashed my estrogen levels and I had literally zero sex drive. It took almost a full 4 days of no aromasin to get myself back 100%. Now I'm running no AI.

    IMO for a first cycle dont run the ai until either you get sides from estro being too high or get a blood test that tells you.

    Everyone reacts different, you're just going to have to figure out your body yourself. Plus a test only cycle at these doses is not that harsh, so I dont believe an ai is needed but keeping it on hand is a good idea in case you are prone to sides and high estro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambo99 View Post
    I'm currently in week 2 of my first cycle. 500 mgs of test e a week, I was taking 10mgs of aromasin ed, after the first 3 days it crashed my estrogen levels and I had literally zero sex drive. It took almost a full 4 days of no aromasin to get myself back 100%. Now I'm running no AI.

    IMO for a first cycle dont run the ai until either you get sides from estro being too high or get a blood test that tells you.

    Everyone reacts different, you're just going to have to figure out your body yourself. Plus a test only cycle at these doses is not that harsh, so I dont believe an ai is needed but keeping it on hand is a good idea in case you are prone to sides and high estro.
    Ok thanks I will do that is it easy to reverse if you start getting gyno



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    Yea, I think once you start getting symptoms of gyno start the ai and run some nolvadex for a few days. I have no experience with this though yet but if I do, I'll report back.

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    NoviceAAS knows his shit. Just sayin

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