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I don't know if it's your first peptide go but holy shit some of these things hurt. My igf on the other hand. No pain at all
I don't know if it's your first peptide go but holy shit some of these things hurt. My igf on the other hand. No pain at all
Mod GRF 1-29 is what you need IMO.
CJC 1293 is not mod GRF but many "research" companies will say it is.
CEM is one of those companies. Their 1293 is indeed, Mod GRF, I've used it in my research in the past.
No one makes CJC 1293, they're making Mod GRF 1-29 and mislabeling it as CJC 1293 because of forum postings years ago that mistakenly labelled 1293 as Mod GRF.
They will also call it CJC 1295 no DAC when it is, in fact Mod GRF 1-29.
Lots of good info here but I also suggest Dat's site.
Actually CEM is honest and states CJC1293 and CJC1295, which they are.
Sermorelin is a mod GRF which they also sell.. cjc1293 and cjc1295 both are with longer halflife, but cjc1293 is slightly shorter.
I do agree many places call cjc1293 w/o dac when it should be just called Mod GRF or even Sermorelin...
I've no doubt that CEM is honest. What he/they/you don't understand is Mod GRF 1-29 and CJC 1293 ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
A popular source for Peptides called Peptides Di%#@t is offering this product:
CJC-1293 AKA GRF (1-29)
Does anyone know if this is modified GRF(1-29) with approximately 30 minute half life or really CJC-1293 ? I'm pretty sure they are 2 different animals and am confused.
It's a mistake that has propagated to more than a handful of vendors. Actually now that I think about it its vendors that are all tied together.
They mistakenly believe that CJC-1293 is the technical name for Tetrasubstituted GRF 1-29 AKA modGRF1-29.
CJC-1293 is actually a DAC analog similar to CJC-1295 with only one amino substitution vs the 4 composing CJC-1295. I would not want either one of these peptides.
So their claim is NOT the case as you can see from this analog chart that I modified for ease of visual clarity:
Blue: LYS/MPA (DAC Complex)
Red: Amino Substitutions
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First of all, to blergs...Please don't think I am trying to engage in an argument or confrontation with you as I most certainly am not.
I've read your posts and I know you are knowledgeable and insightful.
I mean no offense too anyone with my comments and assertions in this post.
I apologize if this post offends anyone.
I also do not wish to imply dishonesty on the part of any research chem company.
These companies are simply misinformed about what they're selling.
My comments are based on my own research and testing, yours could very well have yielded different results than mine and I wouldn't try to dispute it if they did.
I've seen that same chart over and over in my research.
It is included in the exchange below.
I am copying and pasting from Dat's site instead of posting links because otherwise you have to be a member to view it.
The following is an exchange that took place on Dat's site back in 2009.
It is what lead me to do more investigating and more than a little research.
My conclusion, partly based on actual mass spec results (which were lost in a house fire while I away was getting my ass shot off), was the CJC 1293 being offered by peptide companies (even companies who's peptides are "US Made") is in fact Modified Grf 1-29...nothing more, nothing less.
They don't understand what they're selling. They are not chemists. They get the peptides in unlabeled vials in plain white boxes and label them according to what they believe is the correct "name" for the substance in the vial.
The user Bobaslaw (in the exchange below) makes the statement "Actually now that I think about it its vendors that are all tied together" which I believe to be true only in the fact that the peptides they are selling originate from the same few manufacturers.
Could Bobaslaw have been wrong in his assertions? Sure.
Could I be wrong? Absolutely. My testing has borne the results I speak of but my testing could be flawed so it boils down to what I believe.
Choose to believe me, choose to disbelieve me or choose to take it with a grain of salt.
I am only trying to inform anyone who cares what the substances most likely actually are.
Here is the above mentioned exchange, quoted...
Hey,
The last thing I think is you are trying to argue with me
This is just a debate, its how we learn and how other members learn.
and you are posting useful info because many people don't have a clue about the whole CJC1293 w/o dac thing going on at many places.
This thread is informative only because we are debating.
So no worries man!
Just stating some places are not doing it. others not aware of it and im sure others that just dont care and are just going with what ever trend to try to sell more product.
I don't take it as an attack don't worry.