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nothing beats lean food man...whey only holds hunger off for a short period of time compared to real food. i would be drinking at least ten shakes a day just not to starve
There's a whole lot of nutrition you'll miss out on by dropping out meat.
I'll second this. There's a lot more to nutrition than macros and nutrients.
80% of my protein is from powders. NOTHING wrong with that vs whole food IF YOU HAVE A GOOD DIET WITH YOUR WHOLE FOODS! shitty diet is a shitty diet with or without protein powder is a shitty diet is a shitty diet.
I eat my 4-5 meals a day, couple snacks AND my 3-4 70g protein drinks
and there is alot more to it then meat.... no need for meat. sure its harder, but Its right for me.
and there is alot more to it then meat.... no need for meat. sure its harder, but Its right for me.
I'm thinking about giving up red meat and chicken for a while and going straight to powders only for my protein intake say 250 grams a day. I would like to try a vegan diet for a while to clean out my system and i was just curious if getting all of my muscle building protein needs from powders throughout the day would be as beneficial or close to as beneficial as eating chicken and meat. I'm also a bit concerned about my arteries and heart health because I keep reading things about how red meat clogs your arteries. I'm a veteran lifter but I always been a novice eater. I'm trying to take my nutrition to the next level, of course I've been trying to do this for many years and I find it when I try to do something I never accomplish it so I think I'm going to take Nike's slogan and just do it! All opinions and advice are welcome and respected and as always I thank you all for your time.
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Good luck with that. See you in 10 years...or maybe we won't. I have yet to meet an old vegan that wasn't riddled with mysterious diseases or looked like crap.
I used to do 4 to 5 whey shakes a day with 3 whole food meals. Now I do 1 or 2 shakes and 5 whole food meals. Not only do I feel better but I make consistent gains.
So to answer your question no, whole foods for the win is my opinion.
If you are worried about health concerns, just eat leans cuts of meats. Me, I prefer turkey over chicken. Lean steak over ground beef and eat fish at least twice a week.
Did the study look at how much they make you fart?studies show whey is more bioavailable....and builds more muscle and aids in fat loss...whole foods are not superior...that is bro science
True, if you're willing to do supplements to replace the stuff that just naturally comes in meat. Plus, meat is tastier than supplements or the plants that you have to eat to cover for it's absence.
Did the study look at how much they make you fart?
Whey protein gives me lots of bad, smelly gas. I do not drink it every day, so it is very easy to tell what causes it.
80% of my protein is from protein drinks. there is no issue with that. but eat alot of whole foods. and try to have protein drinks WITH food most the time and i rec adding a coupel shots of olive oil to your protein drinks.
I have not eatin meat in over 8 years, so it is possible. though this year i screwed up my gains big time due ot stress/ not optimal diet. but hey, next fall is another bulker cycle, now i guess i just cut up for spring now ;- ) still bigger than most in the gym so i dont give a F :- P
extra b12 is about it. but i still take a multi and some creatine daily. I dont think meat tastes better. not with how i cook or the veggie places i go to eat at, flavors are so amazing... Now bacon on the other hand.... That should be in a category all in its own!
GOD DAMN ONLY THING I MISS AT ALL!
when i was a bit out of shape like 14 yrs ago I would cook up a plate of bacon, then use the grease in pan for mashed potatos or toss ina can of corn and some butter... O.... M.... F... G!! LOL
but i rather look better and live longer ;- )
extra b12 is about it. but i still take a multi and some creatine daily. I dont think meat tastes better. not with how i cook or the veggie places i go to eat at, flavors are so amazing... Now bacon on the other hand.... That should be in a category all in its own!
GOD DAMN ONLY THING I MISS AT ALL!
when i was a bit out of shape like 14 yrs ago I would cook up a plate of bacon, then use the grease in pan for mashed potatos or toss ina can of corn and some butter... O.... M.... F... G!! LOL
but i rather look better and live longer ;- )
I'm thinking about giving up red meat and chicken for a while and going straight to powders only for my protein intake say 250 grams a day. I would like to try a vegan diet for a while to clean out my system and i was just curious if getting all of my muscle building protein needs from powders throughout the day would be as beneficial or close to as beneficial as eating chicken and meat. I'm also a bit concerned about my arteries and heart health because I keep reading things about how red meat clogs your arteries. I'm a veteran lifter but I always been a novice eater. I'm trying to take my nutrition to the next level, of course I've been trying to do this for many years and I find it when I try to do something I never accomplish it so I think I'm going to take Nike's slogan and just do it! All opinions and advice are welcome and respected and as always I thank you all for your time.
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Agreed.You want to "clean" out your diet but want to replace that meat with powder? Sounds like a terrible idea.
First let me say, that as a so-called "text book trained" dietician, some may not take my pencil pusher opinions well in reference to BB, but I can definitely answer your question about the health of your arteries.
First of all, hypertension and obesity are to blame for clogged arteries 99% of the time.
Whether you eat red meat or tofu or carrots, if you get fat (particularly if you carry visceral abdominal fat, or fat around the belly) your heart is at risk.
So, first, achieve and maintain healthful body fat percentages, and keep your blood pressure in check.
Now, if you want to keep your arteries healthy, you should be more concerned with improving your ratio of HDL (or "good cholesterol") to LDL cholesterol. So, eat olive oil, raw almonds, avocados, seeds, fatty fish, ect. ect. ect...
The next goal would be to prevent and reduce inflammation, which can damage the walls of the arteries. Avoid simple sugars and refined flours. Also, skim milk has been shown to cause inflammation.
Now, antioxidants-- Your body is always cleansing itself. Half of your body's processes are completely devoted to cleaning itself out. Guess where the necessary compounds to keep these cleansing systems working come from? Food! This is the only regard in which I would consider a vegan diet to be cleansing--it is rich in plant foods, so it contains plenty of antioxidants, fiber, minerals, vitamins and phytonutrients. Now, if you took a plant rich diet and added meat, you would still get those same cleansing benefits, but you'd also get a rich source of protein with fewer calories.
The number one pitfall for vegan diets is that they are not calorie efficient--you need 600 calories worth of rice and beans to get the amount of complete protein in one 150 calorie chicken breast.
If I were vegan, I'd have a hard time sstaying lean and keeping my muscle.
Hope this helps!