Weeks 1-10 Tren E 600mg Mon, Thurs
Weeks 1-12 Test E 375mg Mon, Thurs or should I go 250mg?
A dex .5mg eod
Pct Nolva, Clomid, HCG.
Should I add in some caber while on or ?
Also should I use dbol as a jump start first 4 weeks?
I have done Tren 3 times now both E and Ace. I have done 5 different cycles.
Im 30yrs old 6'3 260 not sure bf probably about 17 percent or a little lower. I lift 4-5 times a week my diet is decent ive been on this anabolic diet for a while giving that a run.
What are your goals? I have run test high on tren and low. From my own experience I never really "felt" any of the extra test whille on tren other than more negative sides from the extra test. I am sure you know that tren and test compete for the same receptors and tren has a stronger ability to bind to the receptor than test. So the extra test just floats around in the blood and gets bound up and alot of it turns to DHT and estro which equals more sides.
Personally I've tried both high and low test on tren. For me I see no advantage of going high test on tren. When your on tren the only reason to take test is to keep your sex drive up and to feel better. Ever try tren by its self? It will make you wan to tear your skin off. If I am ever in a battle for my life I would take just tren. But if I want to stay married and out of jail I run it with a little test. I think your 300mg a week mark is good. More than enough to keep you normal. Of course all of this is just my personal opinion.
You pretty much got your answer, like SCS says Tren is way more androgenic than Test and will take over the receptors, as far as the test been just to keep sex drive I never had any problem on that department I have and extremely high sex drive but Test is our natural hormone as men so it just make sense to me to have it on every cycle.
Start that tren at 350-400mg with a test dose above. Give it time to see how sides are, you are playing with a monster so show it respect and once you got a hold of any sides, then you can slowly add more. 600mg a week is a serious dose man, most people don't need to go that high nor do they want all the sides that can potentially come with it. Oh and with Tren E, they don't go away in a day, try weeks.
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Tren A for first time tren users for sure. Find out how your body reacts to it. Some people cant handle tren. Others I know cant do tren E but can do tren A. The advantage of tren A is if you run into serious sides you stop it and the sides go away within a day or two at most. Tren E stays with you for a couple weeks. So its a long ride if you get serious sides before it lets you off.
Also it is much easier to judge your tolerance and how much is too much with tren A as it pretty much hits that same day. With Tren E you will never find the sweet spot because it takes so long to metabolize.
I may be stupid but I went with Tren e my first and only time so far. I took 400 test c and 400 Tren e for 5 weeks until it was gone. I felt absolutely nothing. Either it was bunk Tren or it just takes longer to work on me. I only had the one vial that I won in a contest otherwise I would have tried another 5 weeks. I want to try it again but don't want to waste my money on it if I can't get good Tren. I don't know if I should go with a higher dose my first time or not or maybe I should try Tren ace this time around.
Well tren E takes about 3-4 weeks to start doing anything. With me I don't notice anything at first then all of a sudden around week 4 the sweating starts, insomnia, night sweats, and if its really good stuff heart burn. the 400 is a relatively modest dose of tren E. read my earlier post again, and if you decide to try it again, I'd go with tren A and make sure its a good lab, and run it at least 12 weeks. I found that for me weeks 9 going forward is when this stuff really starts changing me. Like daily differences in size and shape.
Do your research 400 of tren E is modest but 400 of tren A could be too much. My first run with tren A I did. 320 a week. every other day dosing and gained a solid 10 pounds in 12 weeks and kept every bit of it. I now am on my 3rd tren cycle and I am at around 600 a week of tren A which is my sweet spot any more and the sides get too strong. I also pin daily now so that makes a difference in keeping blood levels steady, which helps with the sides a lot. Going to run it for 16 weeks and then cruise on test for a few months. I should peak in mid June. Goal is 210 pounds and 6% BF I am 5'9"
trt test and .5 mg caber e3d.. ive used prami in the past and it was hell nasuea like no other. So i personally prefer caber to control prolactin. And thats really the true cause of tren dick is prolactin getting out of hand
Thanks for all the advise and opinions guys. I might start out at 400-500mg a week of tren E and 250mg of test E and go from there with the tren depending on how I feel. I have taken tren E and tren Ace both before and with the Ace I had more sides crazy sweats insomnia and I wasnt thinking straight. Maybe because It was my first run with tren but the last 2 times I did the tren the sides werent that bad just crazy sweats and insomnia. I can handle the sides with tren and ive never had tren dick while on tren, but I was also on a shit load of test while taking tren. This will be a first time trying Tren over test. My goals are to drop some bf and gain as much hard muscle as possible. Im actually kind of cutting now about to start some ephedrine caffeine stack and go with that until I see that I have dropped a little bf. Then I am going to start my cycle and try to get as big as possible but clean big. I decided to not go with the dbol. I will run adex while on and have caber on hand. Should I run the Tren E 10 weeks or more? I know it takes a while to kick in.
Sounds like your on the right track. that's basically what I am doing now. Tren is amazing you can bulk or cut on it. I know alot of guys will say that you can bulk or cut on any AAS but I have never seen such dramatic results in both directions once some effort is put forth. I am actually going to carb cycle. One week high carbs one week ow carb. I just finished my first week of high carb and I went from 213 to 220 in 10 days. I know a lot is water but I can feel the strength difference and the BF test say I did not gain an once of fat. With this pace I should be able to cut while maintaining and maybe even add a few pounds of mass. Oh yea I forgot I am also on 40mg of mast ED started last week so maybe that made a difference as well. So thats 250 test prop a week, 500 tren A a week and 300 mast a week.
Right now I am 220 and about 10% bf. At 5' 9", Goal is to be at 205 and 6% by June.
Nice hows the cycle going? Also hows that going as for the carb cycling diet is there a write up on that how does that work? One week high carb one week low carb what are the macros and how many calories a day?