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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/o...ussia-without-illusions.html?hpw&rref=opinion

[h=1]Russia Without Illusions[/h] MARCH 22, 2014





Ross Douthat

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SINCE the end of the Cold War, America’s policy toward Russia has been shaped by two dangerous illusions.
The first was the conceit that with the right incentives, eyes-to-soul presidential connections and diplomatic reset buttons, Russia could become what we think of, in our cheerfully solipsistic way, as a “normal country” — at peace with the basic architecture of an American-led world order, invested in international norms and institutions, content with its borders and focused primarily on its G.D.P. Not the old Russian bear, and not an “Upper Volta with rockets” basket case, but a stable, solid-enough global citizen — Poland with an Asian hinterland, Italy with nukes.


The second illusion was the idea that with the Cold War over, we could treat Russia’s near abroad as a Western sphere of influence in the making — with NATO expanding ever eastward, traditional Russian satellites swinging into our orbit, and Moscow isolated or acquiescent. As went the Baltic States, in this theory, so eventually would go Ukraine and Georgia, until everything west and south of Russia was one military alliance, and its western neighbors were all folded into the European Union as well.
On the surface, these ideas were in tension: One was internationalist and the other neoconservative; one sought partnership with Russia and the other to effectively encircle it. But there was also a deep congruity, insofar as both assumed that limitations on Western influence had fallen away, and a post-Cold War program could advance smoothly whether the Russians decided to get with it or not.


Now both ideas should be abandoned. After Crimea, as Anne Applebaum wrote last week, it’s clear that Putin’s Russia “is not a flawed Western power,” but “an anti-Western power with a different, darker vision of global politics.” It may not be America’s No. 1 geopolitical problem, as a certain former candidate for president suggested. (Don’t sleep on the Chinese.) But it is a geopolitical threat — a revisionist, norm-violating power — to a greater extent than any recent administration has been eager to accept.


But at the same time, after Crimea there should also be fewer illusions about the West’s ability to dictate outcomes in Russia’s near abroad. Twice in this era — in Georgia in 2008 and now in Ukraine — Russian troops have crossed alleged red lines in conflicts with countries that felt they had some sort of Western protection: Ukraine through the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which supposedly guaranteed its territorial integrity, and Georgia because of our support for its potential entry into NATO. And in both cases the limits of Western power have been laid bare — the disorganization and disunity of “European” foreign policy, and the fact that even the most bellicose U.S. politicians aren’t ready to say that South Ossetia or Simferopol is worth the bones of a single American Marine.
What’s needed, after these illusions, is a more realistic assessment of both Russian intentions (which are plainly more malign than the Obama administration wanted to believe) and Western leverage (which is more limited than Obama’s hawkish critics would like to think).
 
If they wanted to, why not? Go to war with another country to prevent people from exercising their free will?

I fully see that there are and of right should be two sides regarding what the US role in dealing with Putin internationally should be. I think healthy debate is fine and should be sought out. I think it's ridiculous to think that it should be no big deal for Crimea to leave the Ukraine however. With this annexation Ukraine lost it's only sub, and 2 military bases.

To think the US would easily give up it's territory, resources, and military assets to another country because of a vote by a few people is pretty asinine.
 

[h=1]Nato warns of Russian army build-up on Ukraine border[/h]Previous
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Ukrainian troops are stationed on the border with Russia, in smaller numbers

Continue reading the main story[h=2]Ukraine crisis[/h]


Nato's military commander in Europe has issued a warning about the build-up of Russian forces on Ukraine's border.
Supreme Allied Commander Europe Gen Philip Breedlove said Nato was in particular concerned about the threat to Moldova's Trans-Dniester region.
Russia said its forces east of Ukraine complied with international agreements.
The build-up has been allied with Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine, following the removal of Ukraine's pro-Moscow president.
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andriy Deshchytsia warned that the risk of war with Russia was growing.
"The problem is with (Russian President Vladimir) Putin is that he doesn't want to talk to - not only to the Ukrainian government - but also to the Western leaders," Mr Deshchytsia told the BBC.
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The Russian ambassador to the EU, Vladimir Chizhov, has said that Russia did not have any "expansionist views"

"And this is quite a danger for the decision-making process. We could only expect that he might invade."
Meanwhile, US Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken said Washington was reviewing every request Ukraine was making for help.
"When it comes to military assistance, we're looking at it," he told CNN.
But he added: "The facts are these: even if assistance were to go to Ukraine, that is very unlikely to change Russia's calculus or prevent any invasion."
President Barack Obama earlier ruled out sending US troops to Ukraine.
Moscow formally annexed Crimea after the predominantly ethnic-Russian region held a referendum which backed joining Russia.
Kiev and the West have condemned the vote as "illegal".
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A war memorial in Tiraspol, Trans-Dniester. Nato fears Russian troops could move there quickly

Russian flags have now been hoisted at 189 Ukrainian military units and facilities in Crimea, the Interfax news agency reports.
Moscow's ambassador to the EU told the BBC the "reunification" had not been pre-planned but was the end of an "abnormality" which had lasted for 60 years.
Vladimir Chizhov also said said Moscow did not have any "expansionist views" and that "nobody should fear Russia".
But he warned the US against sending troops or military aid to Ukraine, saying it would be a "grave mistake".
Also on Sunday, Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council chief Andriy Parubiy told a big rally in Kiev: "The aim of [President Vladimir] Putin is not Crimea, but all of Ukraine... His troops massed at the border are ready to attack at any moment."
'Adversary'The comments by Gen Breedlove came at an event held by the German Marshall Fund think-tank in Brussels.
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He said: "The [Russian] force that is at the Ukrainian border now to the east is very, very sizeable and very, very ready."
He added: "There is absolutely sufficient force postured on the eastern border of Ukraine to run to Trans-Dniester if the decision was made to do that and that is very worrisome.
"Russia is acting much more like an adversary than a partner."
Trans-Dniester is a narrow strip of land between the Dniester river and Ukraine's south-western border and it proclaimed independence from Moldova in 1990.
The international community has not recognised its self-declared statehood.
As Crimea was annexed, the Trans-Dniester Supreme Soviet sent a request asking to join the Russian Federation.
Meanwhile, Russia's Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov told the Itar-Tass agency: "The Russian Defence Ministry is in compliance with all international agreements limiting the number of troops in the border areas with Ukraine."
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It was quick, well-organised and over before the Ukrainians could fight back; much like Russia's entire takeover of Crimea”
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Mark LowenBBC News, Novofedorivka base



Bases stormedCorrespondents say Russian forces appear to be stepping up their efforts to secure full military control of all of Crimea.
The BBC's Ian Pannell, in Belbek, says the few remaining Ukrainian troops on the peninsula feel beleaguered and abandoned by their commanders.
He saw Russian troops use stun grenades and automatic weapons in a raid on the Belbek airbase, near Sevastopol, on Saturday.
The BBC's Mark Lowen also witnessed the takeover of the Novofedorivka base in western Crimea by Russian troops.
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A big unity rally is being staged in Ukraine's capital Kiev

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Pro-Russian men beat an unknown man during the takeover of the Belbek airbase on Saturday

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Ukrainian soldiers in Belbek were given an ultimatum to leave the base on Saturday.

Russian soldiers and pro-Russian protesters stormed the base and forced Ukrainian troops to leave.
Russia annexed Crimea following a referendum on 16 March, which came after the overthrow of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in February.
The Kremlin said it had acted to protect its "compatriots" in Crimea from "fascists" moving in from the mainland Ukraine.
The US and EU have responded with a series of sanctions targeting those individuals - including senior officials - involved in Crimea's annexation.
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recon a british sub could slam a tomahawk into one of the black sea fleets boats for a good
old lol,then claim it was an accident.
 
I disagree that the situation of Crimea, Ukraine and Russia are the same as the situation of the American Civil War when it comes to the question of succession.

As to Russia, not too long ago there was a Russian empire called the Soviet Union.
We shall see if the recent activity in Crimea is the opening move by Russia to reestablish that empire.

So over 90% of Crimeans wanting to become part of Russia means nothing? We should stop that? It was put to a vote and the result speaks for itself. Or are we going to try to stop democracy, since it doesn't jibe with what we think the Crimeans should do?
 
I fully see that there are and of right should be two sides regarding what the US role in dealing with Putin internationally should be. I think healthy debate is fine and should be sought out. I think it's ridiculous to think that it should be no big deal for Crimea to leave the Ukraine however. With this annexation Ukraine lost it's only sub, and 2 military bases.

To think the US would easily give up it's territory, resources, and military assets to another country because of a vote by a few people is pretty asinine.

Over 90% of the Crimeans want Crimea to become part of Russia. Why should we try to stop them? It isn't annexation, by the way. No more than it would be if a Canadian province wanted to become the 51st state of the US.
 
I fully see that there are and of right should be two sides regarding what the US role in dealing with Putin internationally should be. I think healthy debate is fine and should be sought out. I think it's ridiculous to think that it should be no big deal for Crimea to leave the Ukraine however. With this annexation Ukraine lost it's only sub, and 2 military bases.

To think the US would easily give up it's territory, resources, and military assets to another country because of a vote by a few people is pretty asinine.

Canada can have Michigan if they take Detroit.
 
Nobody wants Detroit
 
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Canada can have Michigan if they take Detroit.

You dumbass. Give them Detroit but keep the rest of the state. Aside from the Southeast corner, Michigan is a BEAUTIFUL state.
 
[h=1]Don't leave Dearborn in the good ole USA.

City in Michigan First to Fully Implement Sharia Law[/h]Posted about 5 months ago | 474 comments


<NationalReport>In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.
The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
Some in town seem to welcome the new legislation while others have denounced the move as &#147;abhorrent&#148;, a threat to freedom and incompatible with the Constitution. When asked by National Report about the need for such a law, local resident Jeremy Ahmed stated:
&#147;It is because of our need that Allah the Almighty, in all his generosity, has created laws for us, so that we can utilize them to obtain justice. We hope to see other cities taking this action in the face of the governments inaction of passing such legislation&#148;.
Other local residents have taken to social media sites with comments ranging from &#147;praise be to Allah&#148; and &#147;long live Islam&#148; to &#147;RIP Dearborn&#148; and &#147;Only in Obama&#146;s America would an American city consider Sharia Law&#148;.
The city of Dearborn is a well-known safe haven for Muslims and Muslim sympathizers. With a population of around 98 thousand people, roughly 30% of its residence are Muslims making them the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States.
The dangers of Sharia Law in America were first outlined in a 2010 study produced by the Center for Security Policy (CSP) titled &#147;Sharia: The Threat to America&#147;, a 352-page book based on authoritative sources of Islamic law. While sharia includes strict rules for prayer and fasting, it is also an all-encompassing legal and political code that covers all aspects of life including those that have nothing to do with religion.

- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/city-michigan-first-fully-implement-sharia-law/#sthash.GGN0F1OB.dpuf
 
[h=1]Don't leave Dearborn in the good ole USA.

City in Michigan First to Fully Implement Sharia Law[/h]Posted about 5 months ago | 474 comments


<NationalReport>In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.
The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
Some in town seem to welcome the new legislation while others have denounced the move as &#147;abhorrent&#148;, a threat to freedom and incompatible with the Constitution. When asked by National Report about the need for such a law, local resident Jeremy Ahmed stated:
&#147;It is because of our need that Allah the Almighty, in all his generosity, has created laws for us, so that we can utilize them to obtain justice. We hope to see other cities taking this action in the face of the governments inaction of passing such legislation&#148;.
Other local residents have taken to social media sites with comments ranging from &#147;praise be to Allah&#148; and &#147;long live Islam&#148; to &#147;RIP Dearborn&#148; and &#147;Only in Obama&#146;s America would an American city consider Sharia Law&#148;.
The city of Dearborn is a well-known safe haven for Muslims and Muslim sympathizers. With a population of around 98 thousand people, roughly 30% of its residence are Muslims making them the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States.
The dangers of Sharia Law in America were first outlined in a 2010 study produced by the Center for Security Policy (CSP) titled &#147;Sharia: The Threat to America&#147;, a 352-page book based on authoritative sources of Islamic law. While sharia includes strict rules for prayer and fasting, it is also an all-encompassing legal and political code that covers all aspects of life including those that have nothing to do with religion.

- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/city-michigan-first-fully-implement-sharia-law/#sthash.GGN0F1OB.dpuf

I've got enough ammo for a few thousand of those assholes.
 
Deal but you have to take bieber as well.

If you take Marshall Mathers, we'll throw Bieber on a USO tour to Afghanistan, something might just "happen" to his plane just as he passes over the Paki-Afghan border...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfu65IEEXYU

Lawmakers in Ukraine have accepted the resignation of the country's defense minister as thousands of troops withdraw from the Crimean Peninsula, now controlled by Russia. (March 25)
 
Over 90% of the Crimeans want Crimea to become part of Russia. Why should we try to stop them? It isn't annexation, by the way. No more than it would be if a Canadian province wanted to become the 51st state of the US.

That is an asinine comparison. For one thing, we really have no way of knowing if the vote was legitimate or not. After all, neither Jimmy Carter nor John Kerry were there to give it their blessing. Additionally, any province of another country would give anything to become a 51st US state if they had the opportunity. It would be liberation in such a case.
Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan. We went over there and discovered that, deep inside every Arab mooslime, there is an American screaming to get out. They all wanted to be just like us. That's why we now have two thriving, civilized western style democracies in the region.
 
Over 90% of the Crimeans want Crimea to become part of Russia. Why should we try to stop them? It isn't annexation, by the way. No more than it would be if a Canadian province wanted to become the 51st state of the US.

It's not nostalgia just a fact, I've done some traveling there also. Many Eastern European country's haven't fared very well but their independence also came at a bad time as the western country's in the OECD were just starting to financialize their economy's and they have not the experience to defend themselves from economic exploitation.

So, IOW they still needed mother Russia to protect them from the evil capitalists in the west. That explains why N.Korea has faired so much better than the south since the Russians and Chinese helped liberate them from the western imperialists in 1953.
 
Post #42,

I cannot stand islam nor muzzies, but is this actually true? The Dearborn, MI sharia vote?

I went to the link.

Is this true or a hoax?
 
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[h=1]Dearborn, Michigan Is Under Sharia Law, Says Satirical Website, But City Is Not Amused[/h] The Huffington Post | By Yasmine Hafiz Posted: 10/30/2013 5:42 pm EDT | Updated: 10/31/2013 10:34 am EDT







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"City in Michigan First to Fully Implement Sharia Law," declared a National Report headline on Monday, causing an uproar on social media. Over 88,000 people shared the article, and many took action by calling city hall employees in Dearborn, Michigan, to voice their outrage. Dearborn is a suburb of Detroit with a large Muslim population which some say is the second largest Arab population outside of the Middle East.
However, their indignation was unfounded, as National Report, which calls itself "America's #1 Independent News Team," is actually a fake news site a la The Onion, and had posted the article as satire.


The article claimed:

In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene. The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
All of their claims were patently false, and unsubstantiated with source links.
Many readers were extremely upset, however, clearly not getting the 'joke'. Commenter Thelma resorted to caps lock to voice her displeasure, writing, "Someone needs to step up and challenge this in the courts! This is TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL!" Commenter Laura added, "And BTW, this is a result of the idiot liberalism gripping our country. Get with it people! Our founding fathers set up a wonderful system. Don&#146;t abandon it! DEFEND IT with all your might!"
The one most annoyed with the article was actually the city of Dearborn, Michigan, itself, which sent out a press release titled, "City of Dearborn Not Amused By Falsehood; Sets Record Straight."
 
That is an asinine comparison. For one thing, we really have no way of knowing if the vote was legitimate or not. After all, neither Jimmy Carter nor John Kerry were there to give it their blessing. Additionally, any province of another country would give anything to become a 51st US state if they had the opportunity. It would be liberation in such a case.
Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan. We went over there and discovered that, deep inside every Arab mooslime, there is an American screaming to get out. They all wanted to be just like us. That's why we now have two thriving, civilized western style democracies in the region.

It isn't asinine at all. The Crimeans WANT to be part of Russia. Why should they be stopped?
 
So, IOW they still needed mother Russia to protect them from the evil capitalists in the west. That explains why N.Korea has faired so much better than the south since the Russians and Chinese helped liberate them from the western imperialists in 1953.

Crimeans want to be part of the wealth from Russia's natural resources. Oil and natural gas. Plus, they have more in common with Russians than Ukrainians.
 
Post #42,

I cannot stand islam nor muzzies, but is this actually true? The Dearborn, MI sharia vote?

I went to the link.

Is this true or a hoax?

No, too many rednecks that would go over there and make Dearborn have the least Arab population in the US.
 
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