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    Anavar alternative?

    That sums it up any alternative to anavar read tbol.. I like to run 100mg ED of anavar and it is very expensive to run like that very long. Not looking for dirt cheap but something little most cost effective. I have ran Tren A and like that cycle this is more for a bridge when I come off the Tren a/Tren E/ Test P run.

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    yea and all so because var hurts my belly i think it has lactose in it from what i read idk why it does. i love the results i get with var but hate how much it cost and how it hurts my belly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGBEN2011 View Post
    yea and all so because var hurts my belly i think it has lactose in it from what i read idk why it does. i love the results i get with var but hate how much it cost and how it hurts my belly.
    It bothers my stomach as well and I am also lactose intolerant. Never considered the possibility of lactose in it.

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    I have considered Var but know it is high $ and one of the most faked out there. So I am all ears on this thread as to what would be a good choice in place of Var.

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    Yea it does get a bit pricey I was thinking of using sum winny with my test prop npp cycle to save sum money.

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    Tbol is the best viable option.

    Masteron is a option if your ready to dry out


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    Stanazol also works, it's just not very kind on joints or lipids
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    Quote Originally Posted by theCaptn' View Post
    Stanazol also works, it's just not very kind on joints or lipids
    Would deca prevent the joint problem?


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    Tbol and winny are two good optiona
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    Winny, same dose



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    So would the npp/deca help when winny dries out your joints?? I got sum AY tbol, can't wait to use it.

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    yea i am running 100mg a day of winny and a low dose of npp and i am having no joint problems at all.

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    Don't forget M-sten. Yes, M-sten. Too often, if someone asks for a Var alternative or poses a similar question, you are typically going to hear guys spout out drugs like T-bol, Winstrol, Masteron, etc. No doubt, all of those drugs provide hard, dry gains, but they also have another thing in common with Var--they all suck for mass gains. Look guys, we are no longer living in an age where you have to choose between big & bloated or small & dry. We now have steroids available which will provide the hardening an drying effects of the weaker muscle-builders like var, Mast, winny, etc...while also proving the muscle gains of Anadrol and D-bol.

    If you want to stay hard and dry, but you don't really have a preference on what drug you use, why not choose the drug which will also provide excellent muscle gains along with it? Or, would you rather be small, hard, an dry...rather than big, hard, and dry? If you would rather be small, hard, and dry, choose T-bol or Masteron...but if you want to be as big & strong as ossible, while also being hard & dry...then do NOT choose those drugs.

    M-sten will harden you up and dry you out similar to a drug like Var, but it will build 5X the muscle mass. If you look at the drug itself...it makes perfect sense. M-sten is a DHT derivative just like Var, Winstrol, and Masteron. It can't aromatize either, just like those drugs. Those 2 factors alone are strong indicators that M-Sten will make you hard & dry, but we don't need t rely on guesswork...because we have lots of guys out there who have shared their real-world experience, including myself. The fact is that M-Sten is just as good of a pre-contest drug as many other non-armatizing, DHT derived drugs.

    However, the PRIMARY difference between a drug like M-sten and those previously mentioned AAS is that M-sten kicks the shit out of all of them for muscle growth & strength gains. Yes guys it IS possible for a steroid to provide the best of both worlds....and people are finding this out every day. The terms "cutter" and mass-builder" are quickly becoming outdated, as there are just too many drugs around these days which accomplish both goals at once. Now, 20 years ago the only drug which was capable of doing this was Trebolone, but not anymore.

    So, unless you have a particular reason for wanting to choose a cutting drug which provides weak muscle building benefits, why not use something that will build significant size & strength, as well?
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    Good info Mike. Is M-sten more toxic than winny, t-bol, or mast. I remember I bought some superdrol thinking it could never be really harsh since it was legal at time. Less than 3 weeks in my blood pressure went higher than it ever went before and I developed 5 blood clots all in same vein on my forearm. Needless to say M-sten sounds like an interesting option to add to my test tren cycle that im starting once I get bloodwork back in about 6 weeks. I just mainly want to know if its tough on the kidneys and what would a good dosage and legnth be if adding it a 10 week cycle of test E 300mgs a week and tren E 400 mgs a week. Thanks again for any info you could provide since I never used M-sten.

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    And yes I did read the M-sten product description. I just don't want to start taking a really harsh product and have to stop. I tolerate tren and winny pretty well, but superdrol just did not agree with me, was hoping this was a little easiar on the body.

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    Lots of guys had issues with SD, but in all fairness, it was not all SD's fault. There was a LOT of shit SD out there, which was poorly manufactured and contained either different isomers of the drug or various pollutants. There is no doubt that some of the available brands did NOT contain pure SD. Pure SD was much less likely to make people feel like shit than the pure versions. I experienced this myself many times...and few people have more experience with SD than myself, with more than 20 cycles under my belt.. Pure SD makes you big, hard, and dry, and very strong. Some poilluted version caused water retention and made guys feel horrible. As far as how it affected BP, it varies. Some guys had issues and others didn't, but the polluted versions which caused water retention were much more likely to cause BP issues than pure versions of the drug.

    As far as M-sten goes, it is much less prone to side effects than SD is, from a "how do you feel" perspective. In terms of the kidneys, what many people don't understand is that steroids themselves do not cause much kidney stress. They can cause some direct stress, but any kidney issues which develop are primarily due to high blood pressure--a potential, indirect effect of AAS use. M-sten is not known for being problematic in this regard, although any AAS can technically increase BP. Personal response also plays a big role in whyether or not a steroid will elevate BP. M-sten seems to be about average in terms of BP issues. Personally, it does not increase my BP at all, or if it does it is only by a few points, literally.

    If BP is an issue for you with steroids in general, there are many things you can do to control it. Adbanced Cycle Support is a GREAT products for managing BP. It contains multiple clinically validated compounds, at clinical dosages, for controlling BP. Hawthorne is one of the best, which is also included in ASC. Of course, ACS alos contains multiple liver detoxifying compounds, which again, have been clinically validated. many guys have used drugs like M-sten with ASC and both BP and liver enzymes experienced little to no elevation at all--that is impressive. I always use cycle support. There just isn't a good reason not to, especially for those guys who regularly use AAS.

    So, the bottom line is that M-sten does not increase BP more than average, with many people experiencing little to no increase. For those that are more prone to experiencing BP issues, the inclusion of ACS can largely eliminate that problem. I think you would really like it...and I can gaurantee that your gains would far surpass what you would achieve with Anavar, Masteron, or Winstrol. A 6 week cycle at 30 mg daily is a very solid cycle. Personally, I would run it the last 6 weeks of the cycle, which will enable you to finish your cycle looking your very best, but you can also kick of your cycle with it, as well. However, keep in mind that if you begin with it for the first 6 weeks, you will likely notice a decrease in muscle fullness, overall size, and possibly even strength levels after you go off. You won't lose any actual muscle fiber because you will continue using other steroids, but there will be a little lag period were you probably won't look as good for a couple weeks. That's because the drug produced powerful effects, so naturally, when you stop taking it those effects go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    Lots of guys had issues with SD, but in all fairness, it was not all SD's fault. There was a LOT of shit SD out there, which was poorly manufactured and contained either different isomers of the drug or various pollutants. There is no doubt that some of the available brands did NOT contain pure SD. Pure SD was much less likely to make people feel like shit than the pure versions. I experienced this myself many times...and few people have more experience with SD than myself, with more than 20 cycles under my belt.. Pure SD makes you big, hard, and dry, and very strong. Some poilluted version caused water retention and made guys feel horrible. As far as how it affected BP, it varies. Some guys had issues and others didn't, but the polluted versions which caused water retention were much more likely to cause BP issues than pure versions of the drug.

    As far as M-sten goes, it is much less prone to side effects than SD is, from a "how do you feel" perspective. In terms of the kidneys, what many people don't understand is that steroids themselves do not cause much kidney stress. They can cause some direct stress, but any kidney issues which develop are primarily due to high blood pressure--a potential, indirect effect of AAS use. M-sten is not known for being problematic in this regard, although any AAS can technically increase BP. Personal response also plays a big role in whyether or not a steroid will elevate BP. M-sten seems to be about average in terms of BP issues. Personally, it does not increase my BP at all, or if it does it is only by a few points, literally.

    If BP is an issue for you with steroids in general, there are many things you can do to control it. Adbanced Cycle Support is a GREAT products for managing BP. It contains multiple clinically validated compounds, at clinical dosages, for controlling BP. Hawthorne is one of the best, which is also included in ASC. Of course, ACS alos contains multiple liver detoxifying compounds, which again, have been clinically validated. many guys have used drugs like M-sten with ASC and both BP and liver enzymes experienced little to no elevation at all--that is impressive. I always use cycle support. There just isn't a good reason not to, especially for those guys who regularly use AAS.

    So, the bottom line is that M-sten does not increase BP more than average, with many people experiencing little to no increase. For those that are more prone to experiencing BP issues, the inclusion of ACS can largely eliminate that problem. I think you would really like it...and I can gaurantee that your gains would far surpass what you would achieve with Anavar, Masteron, or Winstrol. A 6 week cycle at 30 mg daily is a very solid cycle. Personally, I would run it the last 6 weeks of the cycle, which will enable you to finish your cycle looking your very best, but you can also kick of your cycle with it, as well. However, keep in mind that if you begin with it for the first 6 weeks, you will likely notice a decrease in muscle fullness, overall size, and possibly even strength levels after you go off. You won't lose any actual muscle fiber because you will continue using other steroids, but there will be a little lag period were you probably won't look as good for a couple weeks. That's because the drug produced powerful effects, so naturally, when you stop taking it those effects go away.
    Thanks. Blood pressure is always 120/80 or lower so not an issue. Only issues I had were proteinuria, which has gone from low-moderate to trace amounts to sometimes zero and high hemoglobin, in which case i lowered cruise dose from 300 to 180 and donated blood. So I think ill add in last 6 weeks of my cycle and see how it goes.

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    What dosage on the m-sten that compares to the anavar 100mg


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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyB View Post
    What dosage on the m-sten that compares to the anavar 100mg


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    M-STEN is strong as fuck. Not sure how to compare the 2 but I would guess M-STEN is 5 times stronger mg for mg than var.



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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    M-STEN is strong as fuck. Not sure how to compare the 2 but I would guess M-STEN is 5 times stronger mg for mg than var.
    What daily dosage do you recommend?


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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyB View Post
    What daily dosage do you recommend?


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    20-40 mg/day.

    20 mg will provide good gains in less exprienced AAS users. Expect hard, dry gains.

    Higher dosages will provide the same basic effects, but greater growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    20-40 mg/day.

    20 mg will provide good gains in less exprienced AAS users. Expect hard, dry gains.

    Higher dosages will provide the same basic effects, but greater growth.
    you had my curiosity, but now you have my attention.

    What's the half life? Would you split doses or just take it all pre-workout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    M-STEN is strong as fuck. Not sure how to compare the 2 but I would guess M-STEN is 5 times stronger mg for mg than var.
    Sounds about right to me.
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    acs.....advanced cycle support.
    I usd m ten before and liked it ,great feeling of wellbeing and alpha male,good product.
    depending on your size ....I ran 40mg and boom

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish viking View Post
    acs.....advanced cycle support.
    I usd m ten before and liked it ,great feeling of wellbeing and alpha male,good product.
    depending on your size ....I ran 40mg and boom
    yes your right but he said asc... maybe a typo multiple times?

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    Mike after this post and the other thread you started talking about M-sten, I think I'm ready to give it a go myself!
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    Any discount out there for it. I saw the 20% pm from prince just wondering if a bigger discount out for it.

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